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Post by Reefs on Apr 27, 2014 0:19:09 GMT -5
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Post by zendancer on Apr 27, 2014 1:43:43 GMT -5
As an outsider with no horse in this race, "The Zealot" does a fairly good job of explaining why this story is highly unlikely and was probably created at least 60 years after Jesus death by believers wishing to embellish the new belief system. It also clashes with the biblical claim that Jesus became recognized as a spiritually special person for the first time when he stood up in the temple at the age of 30 and spoke with authority. Members of the congregation were supposedly surprised because heretofore he had been considered a common carpenter.
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Post by Reefs on Apr 27, 2014 8:31:55 GMT -5
As an outsider with no horse in this race, "The Zealot" does a fairly good job of explaining why this story is highly unlikely and was probably created at least 60 years after Jesus death by believers wishing to embellish the new belief system. It also clashes with the biblical claim that Jesus became recognized as a spiritually special person for the first time when he stood up in the temple at the age of 30 and spoke with authority. Members of the congregation were supposedly surprised because heretofore he had been considered a common carpenter. That's an interesting point. But it's irrelevant in the context of this thread because I just posted this story for its wonderful symbolism. Just focus on the symbolism of the story.
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Post by zendancer on Apr 27, 2014 9:31:05 GMT -5
As an outsider with no horse in this race, "The Zealot" does a fairly good job of explaining why this story is highly unlikely and was probably created at least 60 years after Jesus death by believers wishing to embellish the new belief system. It also clashes with the biblical claim that Jesus became recognized as a spiritually special person for the first time when he stood up in the temple at the age of 30 and spoke with authority. Members of the congregation were supposedly surprised because heretofore he had been considered a common carpenter. That's an interesting point. But it's irrelevant in the context of this thread because I just posted this story for its wonderful symbolism. Just focus on the symbolism of the story. Sorry, I missed your point. Yes, what many of us are pointing to is a reversal of the path (re-tracing of one's steps) that led to a mind-dominated way of life. The path is one of continual loss which leads to a gain that the mind cannot initially appreciate. Most adults sense that they lost something important on the way from childhood to adulthood, but they don't know what it is.
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Post by laughter on Apr 27, 2014 12:49:45 GMT -5
It's those hungry crows that pigged-out on the breadcrumbs I tell ya'!
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Post by Reefs on Apr 27, 2014 22:36:17 GMT -5
It's those hungry crows that pigged-out on the breadcrumbs I tell ya'! The Hansel and Gretel story is sending quite a different message.
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Post by laughter on Apr 30, 2014 21:56:30 GMT -5
It's those hungry crows that pigged-out on the breadcrumbs I tell ya'! The Hansel and Gretel story is sending quite a different message. Well ok, yeah but they both end with the kids back at dad's house! ... interesting symmetry also between the step-families. .. JC definitely got the better of the bargain with Joey the earthly step-dad. (** muttley snicker **)
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 15:37:19 GMT -5
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Post by Transcix on May 3, 2014 16:32:29 GMT -5
As the saying by Ram Dass goes, if you think you're enlightened try living a day with your parents hehe..
..when your parents themselves point this out to you, in ignorance of what it actually means, as has happened to me, the irony makes for a pretty funny fucking moment hahahahahah
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Post by zendancer on May 4, 2014 9:12:29 GMT -5
As the saying by Ram Dass goes, if you think you're enlightened try living a day with your parents hehe.. ..when your parents themselves point this out to you, in ignorance of what it actually means, as has happened to me, the irony makes for a pretty funny xing moment hahahahahah Ha ha. Tolle makes the same point as Ram Dass. In one of his satsangs Tolle told a great story about one of his mother's visits. He had forgotten what a busy mind she (and most people) have, and he had to make a conscious effort to stay present as she inundated him with her opinions and ideas. One afternoon near the end of her visit they were sitting in a room, and he had been silent for a while just listening to her talk. Then, she, herself, became silent. After a while, she suddenly got a strange look on her face and said, "You know, life is really strange. First, you're born, and then you die." Ha ha. His mother had had a rare moment a clarity, and she had realized what a strange thing life is. Tolle ended the story with, "Of course the clarity didn't last long."
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