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Post by Reefs on Apr 25, 2014 9:24:52 GMT -5
I'm saying, which part is nonsense? read the exchange again. especially towards the end, when steve accelerates his arguing, drama, and pouting. ;-) postscriptaddendumandanotherthing did you go back an read it? I'm guessing not. too much like work? too stale and boring? its more fun and exciting to just stir the pot, eh? gossip, drama, n all that jazz? Remember what Enigma said: "From where you're sitting, you need to survive and want to celebrate, so that's what you use relationship for."  |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 25, 2014 9:26:45 GMT -5
save the pity party .. I've been up since 12:30 (9:30 pacific) Hey Farmer & Silver - the hypnotist has been planting stuff to help me sleep and it's working. Five days in a row sleeping until 6AM - WOOT WOOT! Did I get this right, you are a meditation teacher that suffers from insomnia?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 10:04:37 GMT -5
Goofiness Is funny...in a thread about argumentative drama, someone says some basic common sense, like: Make folks around you feel more secure, comfortable, and respected, and you will have less argumentative drama, and folks make this big personal hubbub and idealistic argument about 'that not being genuine' just to argue something. Heh Folks around here have less sense than they have pride and argumentativeness sometimes  Its like folks are disconnected from the world here sometimes...like a bunch of teenagers sitting in a coffee shop debating aspects of life they they have never lived or something...that is an over-exaggeration of course, but still, there seems to be this kinda disconnect from life and often, common sense in these types of conversations, where a kind of teenage like idealism that is divorced from every day practical life happens. Why don't you give us the respect you think we need? Why the need to defame everyone instead? How does your basic common sense work out in real life? Have you ever tried being 100% genuine, just being who you are? All very intelligent perceptions...but do you really believe that I have a NEED to defame everyone? Seems like a bit of a dramatic and moralistic view to me  To the last bit...what does 'being genuine' mean to you...what is the difference between genuine and none genuine in your paradigm in the context of your question? What does 100% genuine mean to you in this context...when is any not 100% genuine as it is? |
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Post by enigma on Apr 25, 2014 10:26:24 GMT -5
From where you're sitting, you need to survive and want to celebrate, so that's what you use relationship for. But to the extent that you bring need into a relationship, you compromise it. Everybody has needs.... I think you'll have to be very specific about the type of 'need' to which you are referring. Heh, life is a crapshoot -- there is nothing but compromise to it. Life itself is The Big Bet. To survive. You're the one who mentioned that need, so why don't you tell me specifically how you meant it. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 10:42:54 GMT -5
Goofiness Is funny...in a thread about argumentative drama, someone says some basic common sense, like: Make folks around you feel more secure, comfortable, and respected, and you will have less argumentative drama, and folks make this big personal hubbub and idealistic argument about 'that not being genuine' just to argue something. Heh That a thread about moralism and WIBIGO turned toward drama as a subtopic is just a natural turn of the conversation. Reefs was the one to first turn the talk explicitly personal here, but was that challenge based on any sort of moral code? How about the idea of reducing drama by treating people a certain way? Is that a code of some sort? "To thine own self be true" is a prescription, and to some extent, it can even be practiced, but in the end, it's not possible to live as a concept. It's not a moral code. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 25, 2014 10:43:15 GMT -5
A great deal gets by this crowd on a regular basis.  Shall I tell you the real reason you chose the name 'empty'? reefs remains ever hopeful, as do I seems like the only prescription needed is a healthy dose of some come empty Some folks here are working on that, though maybe a little too hard. The dilemma starts with trying to fill oneself with emptiness. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 25, 2014 10:44:24 GMT -5
Why don't you give us the respect you think we need? Why the need to defame everyone instead? How does your basic common sense work out in real life? Have you ever tried being 100% genuine, just being who you are? All very intelligent perceptions...but do you really believe that I have a NEED to defame everyone? Seems like a bit of a dramatic and moralistic view to me To the last bit...what does 'being genuine' mean to you...what is the difference between genuine and none genuine in your paradigm in the context of your question? What does 100% genuine mean to you in this context...when is any not 100% genuine as it is? Okay, now you are making an effort to give respect. But you are giving it with one hand and take it away immediately with the other. Your approach, which is trying to live a concept/idea/ideal, relies on memory and constant self-reflection. Which means as long as you remember your to-do list, it's probably going to work. But since you have to basically monitor yourself all the time, it's a split mind activity. Apart from that, you also have to do a lot of speculating about what the other actually needs and to what degree he/she needs it and then find a way to give them what you think they need. And if you fail to deliver or if you forgot, then you even might start self-criticism. Quite a complicated matter. Being 100% genuine is the opposite of that. There's no need to monitor or speculate and the self-reflective hyper-minding has fallen away altogether because you're not trying to follow any ideal. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 25, 2014 10:55:36 GMT -5
Goofiness Is funny...in a thread about argumentative drama, someone says some basic common sense, like: Make folks around you feel more secure, comfortable, and respected, and you will have less argumentative drama, and folks make this big personal hubbub and idealistic argument about 'that not being genuine' just to argue something. Heh Folks around here have less sense than they have pride and argumentativeness sometimes Its like folks are disconnected from the world here sometimes...like a bunch of teenagers sitting in a coffee shop debating aspects of life they they have never lived or something...that is an over-exaggeration of course, but still, there seems to be this kinda disconnect from life and often, common sense in these types of conversations, where a kind of teenage like idealism that is divorced from every day practical life happens. So is the problem that you didn't take your own advice, or that you did and it didn't work as advertised?  |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 10:57:16 GMT -5
save the pity party .. I've been up since 12:30 (9:30 pacific) Will somebody move this over to the UM section, please?  Random and apparently emotionally-based outbursts of chagrin are completely on topic in a thread about "Moralism and WIBIGO"! |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 10:59:11 GMT -5
Why don't you give us the respect you think we need? Why the need to defame everyone instead? How does your basic common sense work out in real life? Have you ever tried being 100% genuine, just being who you are? All very intelligent perceptions...but do you really believe that I have a NEED to defame everyone? Seems like a bit of a dramatic and moralistic view to me To the last bit...what does 'being genuine' mean to you...what is the difference between genuine and none genuine in your paradigm in the context of your question? What does 100% genuine mean to you in this context...when is any not 100% genuine as it is? There's that distinction again between noticing insult and feeling insulted. Recognizing the defamation in what the other writes is a step prior to the moralist outrage at the feeling of having been defamed. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 25, 2014 11:01:17 GMT -5
I'm saying, which part is nonsense? read the exchange again. especially towards the end, when steve accelerates his arguing, drama, and pouting. ;-) postscriptaddendumandanotherthing did you go back an read it? I'm guessing not. too much like work? too stale and boring? its more fun and exciting to just stir the pot, eh? gossip, drama, n all that jazz? Nice catch. Nothing gets past this crowd. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 25, 2014 11:11:39 GMT -5
Yeah, most (not all) gender difference seem to be social programming. It seems silly to program certain needs and then go around trying to fulfill them. Well, you also have to see all others as needy which just amplifies the neediness again. There's also another catch to this: What happens when you meet someone you assume is need but actually isn't and you give him the nanny treatment anyway? They'll probly feel like they aren't being understood and maybe they're being manipulated. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 11:15:10 GMT -5
Well, you also have to see all others as needy which just amplifies the neediness again. There's also another catch to this: What happens when you meet someone you assume is need but actually isn't and you give him the nanny treatment anyway? They'll probly feel like they aren't being understood and maybe they're being manipulated. Or maybe even feel as though they been coerced. "Look what you made me do!!" |
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Post by enigma on Apr 25, 2014 11:21:32 GMT -5
Leave your garden behind, Move to the ghetto, handle your finances poorly, start getting calls from bill collectors, and don't reassure her in any way, and see how long that 'trust' lasts, and how much validation she still gives you during those squirrel satsangs. Why should that have any impact on her trust? Now I'm also getting a little worried about your relationships. I'm guessing he's resenting some expectations being placed on him in his relationship, which is always how the expectation fulfillment game ends. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 25, 2014 11:28:59 GMT -5
Ahh come on, now your just pouting... Its just some entertaining conversation my friend. I think he's trying to say that coming empty is still on your personal to-do list. Zactamente. |
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