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Post by laughter on Apr 16, 2014 7:25:47 GMT -5
An absence of meaning is not the presence of anything.
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 16, 2014 7:59:44 GMT -5
I agree but the presence of meaningless is. It's like replacing one for the other. An absence is not a presence. Seeing no meaningj is the same as seeing meaning
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Post by laughter on Apr 16, 2014 8:01:57 GMT -5
An absence is not a presence. Seeing no meaningj is the same as seeing meaning An absence is not a literal or figurative perception.
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 16, 2014 8:25:54 GMT -5
Seeing no meaningj is the same as seeing meaning An absence is not a literal or figurative perception. You are claiming no meaning and claiming that meaning is absent................is that a perception? What does absent mean when you use it.
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Post by laughter on Apr 16, 2014 8:34:13 GMT -5
An absence is not a literal or figurative perception. You are claiming no meaning and claiming that meaning is absent................is that a perception? What does absent mean when you use it. Absence isn't a claim.
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 16, 2014 8:44:56 GMT -5
You are claiming no meaning and claiming that meaning is absent................is that a perception? What does absent mean when you use it. Absence isn't a claim. What is it? You said it, not me. You also mentioned meaningless. What is it?
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Post by laughter on Apr 16, 2014 8:46:00 GMT -5
What is it? You said it, not me. You also mentioned meaningless. What is it? Meaninglessness, as used here, refers to an absence of meaning.
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 16, 2014 9:19:04 GMT -5
What is it? You said it, not me. You also mentioned meaningless. What is it? Meaninglessness, as used here, refers to an absence of meaning. ok so absence is not a claim and meaninglessness is not a perception...if you are not claiming this, then what are you doing?
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Post by laughter on Apr 16, 2014 9:21:09 GMT -5
Meaninglessness, as used here, refers to an absence of meaning. ok so absence is not a claim and meaninglessness is not a perception...if you are not claiming this, then what are you doing? Chatting on an internet forum.
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 16, 2014 10:30:27 GMT -5
ok so absence is not a claim and meaninglessness is not a perception...if you are not claiming this, then what are you doing? Chatting on an internet forum. Bye
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 11:04:02 GMT -5
I don't know, I think that is an attempt to find meaning by saying it is meaningless. I cannot deny a sense of me and a sense of this me being seperate from others. Conversely I cannot deny that what I am is the same source of all otherness. There are no answers found in awakening. There simply is an added perspective that was hidden before. There also is an understanding that the groundless nature of the ground is without answers or understanding. That would be making Self into something graspable. As I said before this side of Self reflects Self which has no reflection. An absence of meaning is not the presence of anything. Except presence itself.
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Post by laughter on Apr 16, 2014 11:57:24 GMT -5
An absence of meaning is not the presence of anything. Except presence itself. ( _______________________________________________________)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 12:01:37 GMT -5
Except presence itself. ( _______________________________________________________) Presence is still here.
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Post by laughter on Apr 16, 2014 12:02:56 GMT -5
( _______________________________________________________) Presence is still here. Where else would it be?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 12:22:44 GMT -5
Where else would it be? Yes, so there can't be "is not the presence of anything". Presence is that "anything" that is always here. I guess I'm not very good at making jokes from semantics.
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