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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 21:04:48 GMT -5
ponderers thread....for intelligent people.
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Post by enigma on Aug 22, 2013 21:13:34 GMT -5
ponderers thread....for intelligent people. I hope I'm allowed to respond too. Hehe. What makes you think you'll be reborn? You weren't born in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 2:59:19 GMT -5
ponderers thread....for intelligent people. I hope I'm allowed to respond too. Hehe. What makes you think you'll be reborn? You weren't born in the first place. Welcome... That which identifies with conceptual-thought can be said to be the "I" viewpoint. Ego (sense of a self) becomes crystallised soon after birth an begins to take-on ideas about the reality it finds itself within. Thus life becomes lost to its true nature, that of Life. "I" would welcome rebirth if it considered it had an un-met karmic need within its limited conciousness and it may choose to take another birth so as to dissolve its separated sense of self.
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Post by lolly on Aug 23, 2013 6:44:04 GMT -5
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Post by lolly on Aug 23, 2013 6:45:45 GMT -5
I guess the identity serves to maintain the body, so when we die there's no need for it... desire is for sensational experience, so smokers like niz don't crave a cig, they crave the sensationalism a cig provides. It's not as though identity is a problem, but stagnating and clinging to it as though it's permanent is bad, and when desire fixates on the object (cig) and not on the actual sensation, it can be extreme and become abject greed. You know auto edit thinks a f.a.g is a 'homosexual' lolz
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Post by zendancer on Aug 23, 2013 7:31:28 GMT -5
I hope I'm allowed to respond too. Hehe. What makes you think you'll be reborn? You weren't born in the first place. Welcome... That which identifies with conceptual-thought can be said to be the "I" viewpoint. Ego (sense of a self) becomes crystallised soon after birth an begins to take-on ideas about the reality it finds itself within. Thus life becomes lost to its true nature, that of Life. "I" would welcome rebirth if it considered it had an un-met karmic need within its limited conciousness and it may choose to take another birth so as to dissolve its separated sense of self. This issue can be looked at from two different perspectives. The first has already been stated by E. Who we are was never born and will never die. Unity is unity, and realizing unity frees the body/mind from the illusion of separateness. The other perspective is that who we are manifests as trillions of life forms, so in one sense it is being born and is dying millions of times each second. It is like an ocean with many waves appearing on the surface. No matter how many waves appear and disappear the ocean remains unaffected. Humans usually identify with the waves, but it is possible to realize one's oneness with what gives rise to the waves. If THIS looks at Itself in the absence of thought, birth, death, and all other ideas ABOUT birth, re-birth, appearance, or disappearance disappear. To quote the title of a book that seems appropos, "No Self, No Problem."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 7:41:48 GMT -5
I guess the identity serves to maintain the body, so when we die there's no need for it... desire is for sensational experience, so smokers like niz don't crave a cig, they crave the sensationalism a cig provides. It's not as though identity is a problem, but stagnating and clinging to it as though it's permanent is bad, and when desire fixates on the object (cig) and not on the actual sensation, it can be extreme and become abject greed. You know auto edit thinks a f.a.g is a 'homosexual' lolz cigarettes smoke themselves after setting-up the cycle of sensation-seeking egos?
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 23, 2013 7:42:37 GMT -5
The question is misconceived.
Death is final. There is no rebirth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 7:44:31 GMT -5
Welcome... That which identifies with conceptual-thought can be said to be the "I" viewpoint. Ego (sense of a self) becomes crystallised soon after birth an begins to take-on ideas about the reality it finds itself within. Thus life becomes lost to its true nature, that of Life. "I" would welcome rebirth if it considered it had an un-met karmic need within its limited conciousness and it may choose to take another birth so as to dissolve its separated sense of self. This issue can be looked at from two different perspectives. The first has already been stated by E. Who we are was never born and will never die. Unity is unity, and realizing unity frees the body/mind from the illusion of separateness. The other perspective is that who we are manifests as trillions of life forms, so in one sense it is being born and is dying millions of times each second. It is like an ocean with many waves appearing on the surface. No matter how many waves appear and disappear the ocean remains unaffected. Humans usually identify with the waves, but it is possible to realize one's oneness with what gives rise to the waves. If THIS looks at Itself in the absence of thought, birth, death, and all other ideas ABOUT birth, re-birth, appearance, or disappearance disappear. To quote the title of a book that seems appropos, "No Self, No Problem." no self, no body else so fcuk-off? There are trillion of perspectives, so lets all hide as frogs an croak ourselves through death an deal with rebirth when we want to become the fly?
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Post by zendancer on Aug 23, 2013 7:48:18 GMT -5
This issue can be looked at from two different perspectives. The first has already been stated by E. Who we are was never born and will never die. Unity is unity, and realizing unity frees the body/mind from the illusion of separateness. The other perspective is that who we are manifests as trillions of life forms, so in one sense it is being born and is dying millions of times each second. It is like an ocean with many waves appearing on the surface. No matter how many waves appear and disappear the ocean remains unaffected. Humans usually identify with the waves, but it is possible to realize one's oneness with what gives rise to the waves. If THIS looks at Itself in the absence of thought, birth, death, and all other ideas ABOUT birth, re-birth, appearance, or disappearance disappear. To quote the title of a book that seems appropos, "No Self, No Problem." no self, no body else so fcuk-off? Just the opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 7:49:33 GMT -5
no self, no body else so fcuk-off? Just the opposite. like only two concepts an not three?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 7:55:25 GMT -5
The question is misconceived. Death is final. There is no rebirth. thank God for that... which god?
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Post by zendancer on Aug 23, 2013 7:58:27 GMT -5
like only two concepts an not three? The words, "No self, no problem," are humorously pointing to an absence of any concepts, but if that isn't obvious, please ignore them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 8:25:04 GMT -5
like only two concepts an not three? The words, "No self, no problem," are humorously pointing to an absence of any concepts, but if that isn't obvious, please ignore them. can you explain to me what 'putting the lid on it', means?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 8:28:32 GMT -5
[going up] "weeeeeeeeeeee I'm alive!!!" [going down] "oh crap! what's going to happen to ME???"
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