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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 3:03:50 GMT -5
Ohh have I activated your 'trick mode'? Wasn't that difficult to do was it? Are you going to tell me what Being is?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 3:07:04 GMT -5
Are you going to tell me what Being is? You asked me a question about Being. I want you to tell me what it is. Is that so difficult? Are you using a word that you don't know the meaning of? |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 3:16:53 GMT -5
You asked me a question about Being. I want you to tell me what it is. Is that so difficult? Are you using a word that you don't know the meaning of? Yeah. I asked you whether you could hear in it. You couldn't answer that which is fine. Though in the not answering whether Being can be Hearing as well, I have to accept that in your experience it can't. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 3:20:10 GMT -5
You asked me a question about Being. I want you to tell me what it is. Is that so difficult? Are you using a word that you don't know the meaning of? Yeah. I asked you whether you could hear in it. You couldn't answer that which is fine. Though in the not answering whether Being can be Hearing as well, I have to accept that in your experience it can't. What's Being? |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 3:30:34 GMT -5
Yeah. I asked you whether you could hear in it. You couldn't answer that which is fine. Though in the not answering whether Being can be Hearing as well, I have to accept that in your experience it can't. What's Being?   |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 3:38:23 GMT -5
Okay, you don't know. I'll leave it there. |
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Post by andrew on May 3, 2017 3:59:02 GMT -5
You've been trying to explain 'unconscious knowing' to Enigma for many years. It's interesting that in 'it's more purified state' that it's become an understandable description now. Oh, the bit I was specifically responding to there was the comment about the irony. |
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Post by andrew on May 3, 2017 4:08:01 GMT -5
I would prefer to say a movement of attention. 'Movement of mind' carries an implication that doesn't quite work for me in this context. I think because I do see the sense of being as prior to mind and more fundamentally than phenomena. Attention seems a little more apt to me. Ah, it is because the idea of 'mind' is associated with creativity (and formulation). The sense of being isn't 'created' as such and definitely isn't formulated. Do you see a possibility that there is just being without sense of being prior to mind? For there to be a sense of being wouldn't that refer to something sensing something . By 'just being' do you mean 'I am' or are you referring to the absolute? If you are asking me if I think the 'I am' actually disappeared in your realization, or in absolute samadhi, I am not sure...but I do know that it does seemb that way with hindsight, and that you were able to recognize that it seemed like it returned post realization. The way I see it, the absolute is fundamentally absent of 'I am' though. I think the 'I am' is the 'sentience'. It doesn't matter to me a whole lot if the 'I am' does actually disappear or not in the state you are talking about, what matters is that our experience is changed and that there is no way back to what was before. I haven't 'experienced' absolute samadhi or what you experienced, but I can relate to it...just because of the way my path has been. I can relate to an absolute dissolution, a total disappearance of world, body and beingness. For a while I functioned in such way that it seemed I was a ghost or spirit amongst the living. It is not the same...but I can relate. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 4:09:31 GMT -5
Okay, you don't know. I'll leave it there. You still haven't answered the original question, though you've done your very best to avoid doing that. Does Being inhibit your ability to hear? Do you have the same ears that the Buddha had or are you tone deaf? |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 4:11:46 GMT -5
You've been trying to explain 'unconscious knowing' to Enigma for many years. It's interesting that in 'it's more purified state' that it's become an understandable description now. Oh, the bit I was specifically responding to there was the comment about the irony. What that unconscious knowing pre any realisations is something to be frowned upon and post them, it's to be glorified? |
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Post by andrew on May 3, 2017 4:13:13 GMT -5
Oh, the bit I was specifically responding to there was the comment about the irony. What that unconscious knowing pre any realisations is something to be frowned upon and post them, it's to be glorified? Haha kind of, yes. Sucks to be seeking eh! (That's not a reference to you to be clear, it is a general reference). |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 4:17:04 GMT -5
What that unconscious knowing pre any realisations is something to be frowned upon and post them, it's to be glorified? Haha kind of, yes. Sucks to be seeking eh! (That's not a reference to you to be clear, it is a general reference). I didn't take it personally. I'm unable to identify as a seeker.  |
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Post by tenka on May 3, 2017 4:27:55 GMT -5
Do you see a possibility that there is just being without sense of being prior to mind? For there to be a sense of being wouldn't that refer to something sensing something . By 'just being' do you mean 'I am' or are you referring to the absolute? If you are asking me if I think the 'I am' actually disappeared in your realization, or in absolute samadhi, I am not sure...but I do know that it does seemb that way with hindsight, and that you were able to recognize that it seemed like it returned post realization. The way I see it, the absolute is fundamentally absent of 'I am' though. I think the 'I am' is the 'sentience'. It doesn't matter to me a whole lot if the 'I am' does actually disappear or not in the state you are talking about, what matters is that our experience is changed and that there is no way back to what was before. I haven't 'experienced' absolute samadhi or what you experienced, but I can relate to it...just because of the way my path has been. I can relate to an absolute dissolution, a total disappearance of world, body and beingness. For a while I functioned in such way that it seemed I was a ghost or spirit amongst the living. It is not the same...but I can relate. I saw a shortish video of David Icke last night about the planets, he spent most of it speaking about the universe being electric . I remember a thread a while back about electricity and I concurred with what he said . Using Electricity as a starting block for what we are as an example, there is either the sense that I am Electricity or there is just electricity . Can you imagine that of this world you get to experience that sense of I am electricity to then have no thought of I, no awareness of I am and yet the Electricity is present . There is no sense of it, there is only it . The moment one has a thought or a sense of it, there is a point of I am it . This is why I have spoken of before the difference/s between the electricity itself and the sense of it . |
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Post by andrew on May 3, 2017 4:57:09 GMT -5
By 'just being' do you mean 'I am' or are you referring to the absolute? If you are asking me if I think the 'I am' actually disappeared in your realization, or in absolute samadhi, I am not sure...but I do know that it does seemb that way with hindsight, and that you were able to recognize that it seemed like it returned post realization. The way I see it, the absolute is fundamentally absent of 'I am' though. I think the 'I am' is the 'sentience'. It doesn't matter to me a whole lot if the 'I am' does actually disappear or not in the state you are talking about, what matters is that our experience is changed and that there is no way back to what was before. I haven't 'experienced' absolute samadhi or what you experienced, but I can relate to it...just because of the way my path has been. I can relate to an absolute dissolution, a total disappearance of world, body and beingness. For a while I functioned in such way that it seemed I was a ghost or spirit amongst the living. It is not the same...but I can relate. I saw a shortish video of David Icke last night about the planets, he spent most of it speaking about the universe being electric . I remember a thread a while back about electricity and I concurred with what he said . Using Electricity as a starting block for what we are as an example, there is either the sense that I am Electricity or there is just electricity . Can you imagine that of this world you get to experience that sense of I am electricity to then have no thought of I, no awareness of I am and yet the Electricity is present . There is no sense of it, there is only it . The moment one has a thought or a sense of it, there is a point of I am it . This is why I have spoken of before the difference/s between the electricity itself and the sense of it . If you are saying there is a difference between the sense of 'I am existing' and the sense of 'just existing', then yes I agree. I can sit here right now and test the difference, though I have to work a little more to find the 'I am existing' sense. Though Niz has pointed out that even the 'just existing' sense is a memory, and I guess this might be what you mean bu 'there is no sense of it, there is only it'. My experience is much better described as one in which I experience a 'field of electricity', rather than a 'world of objects', so I can relate to that description. |
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Post by tenka on May 3, 2017 5:09:36 GMT -5
I saw a shortish video of David Icke last night about the planets, he spent most of it speaking about the universe being electric . I remember a thread a while back about electricity and I concurred with what he said . Using Electricity as a starting block for what we are as an example, there is either the sense that I am Electricity or there is just electricity . Can you imagine that of this world you get to experience that sense of I am electricity to then have no thought of I, no awareness of I am and yet the Electricity is present . There is no sense of it, there is only it . The moment one has a thought or a sense of it, there is a point of I am it . This is why I have spoken of before the difference/s between the electricity itself and the sense of it . then yes I agree. I can sit here right now and test the difference, though I have to work a little more to find the 'I am existing' sense. Though Niz has pointed out that even the 'just existing' sense is a memory, and I guess this might be what you mean bu 'there is no sense of it, there is only it'. My experience is much better described as one in which I experience a 'field of electricity', rather than a 'world of objects', so I can relate to that description. It's rather more that there is no sense of just existing . Existence itself doesn't have a sense of itself, The sense comes from a sense of I am that . |
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