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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 10:18:35 GMT -5
What do you mean by worse? Worse because it will be uglier in the sense of more profanity? Would you rather just tighter moderation on what is perceived as mocking and just leave it at that, without an unmoderated venting zone? This whole thing is just another tempest in a teakettle. But maybe I'm being insensitive (again). More confusion about rules and what goes and what doesn't. Edit: I don't have a problem with mocking. Mocking is some kind of habit here. Almost everyone does it. It's just some kind of broken record here that only E & R are mocking. But if you look closely, almost everyone is doing it, even Peter. And I'd rather have no moderation at all. This attempt to split the forum looks more like an attempt to make sure that everyone can stay sound asleep and never grow up no matter what. Protection is not a sign of maturity. It's a sign of someone feeling threatened based on some funny illusions. Someone cherishing his illusions and not wanting to let go. "Grow up or leave" would be my motto. I thought you weren't into growth?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 10:22:09 GMT -5
Well, we all remember you 'idiot' and 'idiocy' comments lately. ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png) I can be aggressive, especially when responding to cretinous comments such as this one. "Cretinous comments" has a great ring to it. I vote including that in introductory header somehow.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 27, 2013 10:29:07 GMT -5
*contains misconceptions and false storylines and therefore lies*Here's that kneejerking again I was talking about before. What exactly is 'my approach'? I'm not in the helping people business or into creating world peace, but it looks very much that you are. Huh? I think you've kinda lost it by now. I don't care about peoples personal progress, I'm also not interested in their sob stories or success stories. I don't care about your personal plight. I'm here to talk about non-duality stuff which often has the side effect of helping folks out with their mental hick-ups and sometimes it looks like free online therapy, especially when I'm talking to you or Silver. But I'm not into the helping people business or into creating world peace. I don't have to see everyone getting along. OTOH, you are the one here who is talking about the importance of effective communication. And since about a year you are following me around telling me that I don't communicate effectively, you even assume I purposefully want to wind folks up for the sake of personal entertainment. You are doing that since a year and I've already told you that your agenda of painting me as the forum villain is a rather nasty endeavor and begins to border on malevolence given how long this is already going on. I think I could make a strong case that you are bullying me with your anti-bullying/mocking campaigns. So, no, I'm not in competition with anyone because my appearance here has no purpose or goal. So, tell me, do you see me as some kind of competitor here? You are talking about effective communication since about a year and are making great efforts. It's time for a status report, don't you think? Where did you improve communication and annihilate misunderstandings? Silver? M-G? Arisha? Tzu? Andrew? You spent months talking to these guys and nothing changed. You couldn't even effectively communicate with Amit. The only one who is still talking with Amit lately is Enigma, someone you would label as 'mocker' and bad guy. Time to look at the results, Top. You are failing miserably on all fronts. I don't attack people. That's one of your nasty storylines you keep telling everyone. My view on things is a little controversial and unconventional and that lets the more unconscious folks acting up more easily. And since I don't care about personal progress and personal background stories and keep pointing at the patterns at work, I don't get distracted with the emotional reactions and distractions that arise. I keep pointing at the patterns. A lot of folks see that as an assault or something because they can't look beyond the personal or can't put it on a more abstract level. And, most importantly, by not following the distractions they create to protect their illusions, they seem to think I'm attacking them because none of their unconscious defense mechanism works. And then there's also this other storyline of yours, painting me as someone having problems with feeling emotions just because I don't go with you into your emotional swamp. I'm very clear about this. It's not possible to understand everyone. And it's also not necessary. I've explained just recently why. And I've also explained before that folks like Silver should just leave because they are not a vibrational match to forum intentions. No need to convert anyone or brainwash anyone into a new communication standard. What you are trying to attempt is to remodel people according to your ideal. That's the most hideous thing one could ever attempt. Sure, you rationalize it how good it would be for the forum peace and such. But you are acting like a dictator. You want others behave according to your ideal. That's never going to happen. What is going to happen is that folks will keep coming and going according to their vibes they have going on. It's a natural process. Folks that are incompatible to each other just shouldn't talk too much with each other. So, given your increasing nastiness in your replies ("d!ck measuring", "attack") and your ongoing inability to actually read what I write in my posts, I really do think that you are having some kind of meltdown here. How much sleep do you get lately? Are you getting a little too much worked up about this? And stop dodging questions and creating distractions, please. I'll ask you again: How many folks have you helped to communicate more effectively with each other? Name names. So far I only see big failures. The red is your attitude towards personally identified people in general and it comes forward in the way you interact quite clearly. The purple I take to be your conscious intent and agree with its purpose and value. The green is something you believe about yourself. The blue is how you see me. These are your words Reefs. I am not putting my words in your mouth. Given that first purple sentence I highlighted, that you know it is happening and that it is your intent to have it happen, you do a lot of complaining about the blow back from your interaction style. You cannot be the victim in a situation that came about from your own intentional action made with the awareness of what the likely result will be. It's not just that you LET people have blow ups and melt downs, your style is intentional, you know what will happen, and you want it to happen. But you have already said that you don't care about the person, or their growth, or seeing any kind of personal benefit. So that brings forward the question, why do you want people to have melt downs? Do you understand why the personally identified peeps react to you so much? If it was just the red, they wouldn't react so much. But when you express how you see them, there is very often one of those adjectives that I've made larger in how you see me. You push forward a negative image of the person which stimulates the emotional reactivity. Either you do this intentionally and consciously or you do this unconsciously. The purple says you're doing it intentionally. The red says its not for their benefit. Do you understand why the green gets called into question so frequently? Well, Top, you are still not listening. You rather distort my posts. So I guess it's time again for a reminder: Going forward, if there is anyone that feels like I am not coming empty to them, you have my permission to *thwack* me with the zen stick. I left the forum because I needed to focus on my life outside the forum. I ended up breaking up with my wife. The weight of my relationship was affecting me significantly and I feel much lighter now. We share two young kids, so we're still a part of each other's lives but my energy and her energy are no longer tied together and I was being codependent in the relationship. I want to give a blanket apology to everyone, my negative emotions in that relationship were affecting how I was interacting everywhere. So in some sense Andrew was right that my relationship with my wife was affecting my interaction here. Thanks Andrew for being you. I want now to express a statement of purpose and give everyone permission to *thwack* me if I'm not living up to it. * thwack! *
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Post by Reefs on Jun 27, 2013 10:30:52 GMT -5
More confusion about rules and what goes and what doesn't. Edit: I don't have a problem with mocking. Mocking is some kind of habit here. Almost everyone does it. It's just some kind of broken record here that only E & R are mocking. But if you look closely, almost everyone is doing it, even Peter. And I'd rather have no moderation at all. This attempt to split the forum looks more like an attempt to make sure that everyone can stay sound asleep and never grow up no matter what. Protection is not a sign of maturity. It's a sign of someone feeling threatened based on some funny illusions. Someone cherishing his illusions and not wanting to let go. "Grow up or leave" would be my motto. I thought you weren't into growth? You do think a lot. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 10:33:09 GMT -5
Shawn got back to me and has requested:Anyone want to give that a shot? Is the new section unmoderated or moderated? If it's unmoderated, I propose: "Anything goes, within the Proboards guidelines. Mocking, cretinous comments, and venting are all possible here. If you want more moderation go to the more actively moderated area. But you will lose your rights to post there if you can not behave within those strictures. You now have the option to terminate and be cremated on the premises. If you elect this option, notify the Duty Sergeant in your Processing Area."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 10:35:32 GMT -5
I thought you weren't into growth? You do think a lot. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) It's a bad habit I picked up somewhere. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by silver on Jun 27, 2013 10:38:01 GMT -5
You do think a lot. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) It's a bad habit I picked up somewhere. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) I think you think rather well. Don't listen to him! ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Peter on Jun 27, 2013 10:45:37 GMT -5
Shawn got back to me and has requested:Anyone want to give that a shot? Mockery and Ridicule Free Zone The new area will be the unmoderated section, so if anything it would be "Mockery and Ridicule Zone". But I think Shawn is looking for a short description - a couple of paragraphs introduction perhaps? Ooh, I see Max had a go - that looks pretty close to what's needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 10:54:06 GMT -5
It's a bad habit I picked up somewhere. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) I think you think rather well. Don't listen to him! ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Good thinking or bad thinking, it's still a habit. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) Don't matter if you drink Wild Turkey or some fancy expensive thing, for example.
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Post by silver on Jun 27, 2013 10:54:53 GMT -5
Mockery and Ridicule Free Zone The new area will be the unmoderated section, so if anything it would be "Mockery and Ridicule Zone". But I think Shawn is looking for a short description - a couple of paragraphs introduction perhaps? Ooh, I see Max had a go - that looks pretty close to what's needed. Oh. Got confused.....good ol' Max. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 10:55:43 GMT -5
The red is your attitude towards personally identified people in general and it comes forward in the way you interact quite clearly. The purple I take to be your conscious intent and agree with its purpose and value. The green is something you believe about yourself. The blue is how you see me. These are your words Reefs. I am not putting my words in your mouth. Given that first purple sentence I highlighted, that you know it is happening and that it is your intent to have it happen, you do a lot of complaining about the blow back from your interaction style. You cannot be the victim in a situation that came about from your own intentional action made with the awareness of what the likely result will be. It's not just that you LET people have blow ups and melt downs, your style is intentional, you know what will happen, and you want it to happen. But you have already said that you don't care about the person, or their growth, or seeing any kind of personal benefit. So that brings forward the question, why do you want people to have melt downs? Do you understand why the personally identified peeps react to you so much? If it was just the red, they wouldn't react so much. But when you express how you see them, there is very often one of those adjectives that I've made larger in how you see me. You push forward a negative image of the person which stimulates the emotional reactivity. Either you do this intentionally and consciously or you do this unconsciously. The purple says you're doing it intentionally. The red says its not for their benefit. Do you understand why the green gets called into question so frequently? Well, Top, you are still not listening. You rather distort my posts. So I guess it's time again for a reminder: Going forward, if there is anyone that feels like I am not coming empty to them, you have my permission to *thwack* me with the zen stick. I left the forum because I needed to focus on my life outside the forum. I ended up breaking up with my wife. The weight of my relationship was affecting me significantly and I feel much lighter now. We share two young kids, so we're still a part of each other's lives but my energy and her energy are no longer tied together and I was being codependent in the relationship. I want to give a blanket apology to everyone, my negative emotions in that relationship were affecting how I was interacting everywhere. So in some sense Andrew was right that my relationship with my wife was affecting my interaction here. Thanks Andrew for being you. I want now to express a statement of purpose and give everyone permission to *thwack* me if I'm not living up to it. * thwack! *
Reefs Avatar 14 hours ago Reefs said: "*contains misconceptions and false storylines and therefore lies*
Here's that kneejerking again I was talking about before. What exactly is 'my approach'? I'm not in the helping people business or into creating world peace, but it looks very much that you are.
Huh? I think you've kinda lost it by now. I don't care about peoples personal progress, I'm also not interested in their sob stories or success stories. I don't care about your personal plight. I'm here to talk about non-duality stuff which often has the side effect of helping folks out with their mental hick-ups and sometimes it looks like free online therapy, especially when I'm talking to you or Silver. But I'm not into the helping people business or into creating world peace. I don't have to see everyone getting along.
OTOH, you are the one here who is talking about the importance of effective communication. And since about a year you are following me around telling me that I don't communicate effectively, you even assume I purposefully want to wind folks up for the sake of personal entertainment. You are doing that since a year and I've already told you that your agenda of painting me as the forum villain is a rather nasty endeavor and begins to border on malevolence given how long this is already going on. I think I could make a strong case that you are bullying me with your anti-bullying/mocking campaigns.
So, no, I'm not in competition with anyone because my appearance here has no purpose or goal. So, tell me, do you see me as some kind of competitor here? You are talking about effective communication since about a year and are making great efforts. It's time for a status report, don't you think? Where did you improve communication and annihilate misunderstandings? Silver? M-G? Arisha? Tzu? Andrew? You spent months talking to these guys and nothing changed. You couldn't even effectively communicate with Amit. The only one who is still talking with Amit lately is Enigma, someone you would label as 'mocker' and bad guy.
Time to look at the results, Top. You are failing miserably on all fronts.
I don't attack people. That's one of your nasty storylines you keep telling everyone. My view on things is a little controversial and unconventional and that lets the more unconscious folks acting up more easily. And since I don't care about personal progress and personal background stories and keep pointing at the patterns at work, I don't get distracted with the emotional reactions and distractions that arise. I keep pointing at the patterns. A lot of folks see that as an assault or something because they can't look beyond the personal or can't put it on a more abstract level. And, most importantly, by not following the distractions they create to protect their illusions, they seem to think I'm attacking them because none of their unconscious defense mechanism works. And then there's also this other storyline of yours, painting me as someone having problems with feeling emotions just because I don't go with you into your emotional swamp.
I'm very clear about this. It's not possible to understand everyone. And it's also not necessary. I've explained just recently why. And I've also explained before that folks like Silver should just leave because they are not a vibrational match to forum intentions. No need to convert anyone or brainwash anyone into a new communication standard. What you are trying to attempt is to remodel people according to your ideal. That's the most hideous thing one could ever attempt. Sure, you rationalize it how good it would be for the forum peace and such. But you are acting like a dictator. You want others behave according to your ideal. That's never going to happen. What is going to happen is that folks will keep coming and going according to their vibes they have going on. It's a natural process. Folks that are incompatible to each other just shouldn't talk too much with each other.
So, given your increasing nastiness in your replies ("d!ck measuring", "attack") and your ongoing inability to actually read what I write in my posts, I really do think that you are having some kind of meltdown here. How much sleep do you get lately? Are you getting a little too much worked up about this? And stop dodging questions and creating distractions, please. I'll ask you again: How many folks have you helped to communicate more effectively with each other? Name names. So far I only see big failures. "Here's one for the Guinness Book of World Records. A Baltimore man recently broke a longtime mental record when a forty-four-year-long thought he was having came to an end. When asked what he had been thinking of he said he couldn't remember, but that it would probably come back to him. He added that quite possibly it had something to do with his hat. -George Carlin
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Post by topology on Jun 27, 2013 11:37:59 GMT -5
The red is your attitude towards personally identified people in general and it comes forward in the way you interact quite clearly. The purple I take to be your conscious intent and agree with its purpose and value. The green is something you believe about yourself. The blue is how you see me. These are your words Reefs. I am not putting my words in your mouth. Given that first purple sentence I highlighted, that you know it is happening and that it is your intent to have it happen, you do a lot of complaining about the blow back from your interaction style. You cannot be the victim in a situation that came about from your own intentional action made with the awareness of what the likely result will be. It's not just that you LET people have blow ups and melt downs, your style is intentional, you know what will happen, and you want it to happen. But you have already said that you don't care about the person, or their growth, or seeing any kind of personal benefit. So that brings forward the question, why do you want people to have melt downs? Do you understand why the personally identified peeps react to you so much? If it was just the red, they wouldn't react so much. But when you express how you see them, there is very often one of those adjectives that I've made larger in how you see me. You push forward a negative image of the person which stimulates the emotional reactivity. Either you do this intentionally and consciously or you do this unconsciously. The purple says you're doing it intentionally. The red says its not for their benefit. Do you understand why the green gets called into question so frequently? Well, Top, you are still not listening. You rather distort my posts. So I guess it's time again for a reminder: Going forward, if there is anyone that feels like I am not coming empty to them, you have my permission to *thwack* me with the zen stick. I left the forum because I needed to focus on my life outside the forum. I ended up breaking up with my wife. The weight of my relationship was affecting me significantly and I feel much lighter now. We share two young kids, so we're still a part of each other's lives but my energy and her energy are no longer tied together and I was being codependent in the relationship. I want to give a blanket apology to everyone, my negative emotions in that relationship were affecting how I was interacting everywhere. So in some sense Andrew was right that my relationship with my wife was affecting my interaction here. Thanks Andrew for being you. I want now to express a statement of purpose and give everyone permission to *thwack* me if I'm not living up to it. * thwack! *
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Post by Beingist on Jun 27, 2013 11:50:48 GMT -5
Gee, what a colorful page this one is!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 13:01:16 GMT -5
Why am I so aggressive? Hehehe Why are you such a control freak? Look, Andrew. You and Figgy were laughing about my use of ignore buttons. And now you want to go even further than I ever did and delineate clearly between mocking/no mocking and even outsource/quarantine the 'mockers'. That sounds like a huge hypocrisy given your philosophy of non-delineation and non-divvying and being okay with everything. I'm curious if you are aware of this and if so how you are going to bridge that gap. Sounds control freakish to split up the forum. According to Figgy when we need ignore buttons and protections and stuff we are not in alignment with Source. How come you 2 did a total 180 degree turn on your own dogmas? Indeed, if we're fully aligned with source, in the vortex, fully in the flow, whatever you choose to call it, nothing is seen to be problematic...and thus, it's very unlikely that one would feel the need to physically block out the posts of another for fear of somehow being affected negatively by them. But, If it's necessary, it's necessary. There should be no shame in making that choice, but it's also important to see that need to put blinders on, for what it is. Regarding a change in forum dynamic, where a mocking vs. no mocking section is created, this is more about creating a forum experience that pleases the majority. While I see many here who would relish the idea of a non-mocking section, I don't really have too much of an opinion on it either way..I actually prefer very limited moderation on forums, however..... I can see and do acknowledge that this forum does not get much new influx and talking to a few who watch here but refuse to post, intimidation by the likes of You and E, is, for these folks I've spoken with, very much thee reason there is hesitancy to actually jump in and partcipate in the conversation. I suspect that if a new no mocking section was created, this forum may actually see more joiners....who knows though....? It's worth trying as i see it. I see it as strange that you're bringing the argument of no delineation and no divvying up into this conversation though. (This tells me that you likely don't get what's really being said there). In terms of the arising of experience, it is what it is...currently, I'm experiencing participating on a forum and the status of this participation is at present a movement to help create a more preferred forum experience for the majority.......I cut up my kids apple for breakfast this morning into four slices and this certainly did not mean that I suddenly began divvying up experience itself into categories of actual vs. illusive, and calling one of those categories, 'real' or 'true' and the other 'false.'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 13:13:35 GMT -5
Mockery and Ridicule Free Zone The new area will be the unmoderated section, so if anything it would be "Mockery and Ridicule Zone". But I think Shawn is looking for a short description - a couple of paragraphs introduction perhaps? Ooh, I see Max had a go - that looks pretty close to what's needed. Perhaps it could be called "The Ruthless Truth Arena"... Well except for the Truth part... ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png)
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