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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 0:20:17 GMT -5
Greetings.. If you did take your own advice then you would know that there is no-one there, who can let go. Sorry Wren, that's 'your' belief.. the belief that the 'no-one' who is not there keeps telling the others that the 'no-one' claims isn't there, that they should know that there is no-one there.. i'm hopeful you will see the deep and humorous irony in your post.. Be well.. I see the confusion in yours, that's all.
Be clear..
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Post by silver on Jun 13, 2013 0:25:54 GMT -5
Greetings.. Sorry Wren, that's 'your' belief.. the belief that the 'no-one' who is not there keeps telling the others that the 'no-one' claims isn't there, that they should know that there is no-one there.. i'm hopeful you will see the deep and humorous irony in your post.. Be well.. I see the confusion in yours, that's all.
Be clear..
I think it's just an old-fashioned neighborly returning the favor.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 0:32:14 GMT -5
I see the confusion in yours, that's all.
Be clear..
I think it's just an old-fashioned neighborly returning the favor. Am I right in thinking, that you think you understand where Tzujanli is coming from?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 0:33:12 GMT -5
The possibility is good, but equally so that Silver, Andrew, Figless, And Tzu share the same clarity :-) Or maybe you all share an attachment to some ideas about ideas about ideas Who knows? One thing "seems" certain though, the first step toward figuring it out is a step toward somewhere that somebody might have to defend lol Or not. So I'll quietly retreat ;-) Put it out front, Steve. Seriously. 'Twas good advice then, and it's good advice, now. Thanks :-)
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Post by silver on Jun 13, 2013 0:37:50 GMT -5
I think it's just an old-fashioned neighborly returning the favor. Am I right in thinking, that you think you understand where Tzujanli is coming from? Uh huh.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 0:41:07 GMT -5
Am I right in thinking, that you think you understand where Tzujanli is coming from? Uh huh. So you think that he was doing a neighbourly favour by writing what he did, am I right?
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Post by Reefs on Jun 13, 2013 0:42:59 GMT -5
The possibility is good, but equally so that Silver, Andrew, Figless, And Tzu share the same clarity :-) Clearly they don't. Andrew and Figs are clubhouse aligned for the most part, but Tzu is following his own yellow brick road, and Silver is following her strongest feeling. Dear Dude/Dudette, Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by silver on Jun 13, 2013 0:50:43 GMT -5
So you think that he was doing a neighbourly favour by writing what he did, am I right? In spite of any frictions here, I think we are all doing each other a neighborly favor by expressing our true feelings and viewpoints. In some respects, I see love all over da place here.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 13, 2013 0:57:44 GMT -5
Greetings.. When offered the open and honest discussion that you requested all it took was the slightest of disagreement or the merest hint of a grin on the face of your correspondents for you to stamp your foot through the thin ice.In the six months that I've been reading your messages your reply to Andrew the other day seemed to me quite singular, and that in the context of a mult-year conversation with him spanning at least two forums and a definite tinge of "enemy of my enemy" (not that Andy necessarily sees an "enemy", so to speak). Singular in that it betrayed no underlying attachment to being right and actually overtly disclaimed one. The best I can do with this contrarian view is to give it the benefit of the comedic doubt. That's cool in my book anyway ... but do expect fits of temper to be used as fuel for the fire of amusement! Perception's a b!tch.. you see "the slightest of disagreement", i see retreat from honesty and openness through statements of absolute certainty.. you see the "merest hint of a grin:, and i see mockery and ridicule disguised as humor.. all i ask for is open and honest discussions, preferably one-on-one, but.. that's not the way, here, several aligned members move in from different angles,and.. honestly, i can't keep-up, and i'm not interested in that sort of 'spiritual gang violence', so.. step away from the campfire, here's plenty of what you perceive as fuel, and what i perceive as open honesty.. Be well.. Dear Dude/Dudette, Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 1:13:23 GMT -5
So you think that he was doing a neighbourly favour by writing what he did, am I right? In spite of any frictions here, I think we are all doing each other a neighborly favor by expressing our true feelings and viewpoints. In some respects, I see love all over da place here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 1:15:34 GMT -5
Greetings.. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Man you are hilarious!!! Cause you don't chant ANY mantra's on here!!! BBBAAAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!! You could be a verse to the song "Ironic" had Alanis wrote it now that she's into non-duality. "An old man, thought he was awake.... thought everyone had an unconscious take (He'd try to) preach and preach about ev-ver-ry-thing Unaware, it was his ego speaking Isn't it ironic.... Don't ya think?" Are you daft? Of course i chant a mantra, "Let go of beliefs and attachments, and see clearly".. the difference, is i'm not suggesting what should be seen.. E and some others chant mantras saying that oneness and nonduality should be seen, and.. well, you just want people to see you, so you try to provoke and annoy people, so you can say: 'Look at what the Hole did, he provoked and annoyed people'.. LOL.. wait, will it be clearer for you if i make it into a mocking verse? or, if i laugh at you? Who's Alanis? and how can anyone be "into non-duality".. yikes! i asked you a question, as if you could do anything other than try to annoy and provoke and mock.. but, your whole non-duality/oneness fantasy belief, is negated by your belief that you can effect change in 'oneness' by mocking the same oneness, which.. would require someone separate from the oneness, and separate from you, and.. nevermind, occasionally i try to have a conversation with you, but you consistently reveal your intention to not have a conversation that might reveal who or what you actually think you are.. you just keep playing your abrasive role and annoying little Chiuaua-like ankle-biter persona pissin' on those that challenge your beliefs or the beliefs of your masters.. If you think you've provoked me, yep, when i see people intentionally and pointlessly trying to incite conflict to make a point, i'm provoked/motivated to engage them at the same level.. it's the level they've revealed that they understand.. but, i 'get it', there's a 'you', and there's a 'me', and 'we' just disagree.. i don't have a problem with being provoked, or with responding by keeping you dancing at the end of your chain of beliefs.. i don't have any beliefs that make me feel good about provoking or mocking, i only do that as a reflection of 'what i get', in hopes that the reflected energy finds some level of clarity from its source, but.. so far, you've crushed those hopes, LOL.. Rather than continuing your redundantly consistent aggressive opposition to those whose understandings threaten your beliefs, why not engage in discussions that might produce understandings that allow you to exist in a more coherent and less confrontational relationship with the collective membership of this forum? Be well.. Did you feel....ALIVE, when you were writing that?
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Post by silver on Jun 13, 2013 1:18:31 GMT -5
Clearly they don't. Andrew and Figs are clubhouse aligned for the most part, but Tzu is following his own yellow brick road, and Silver is following her strongest feeling. Dear Dude/Dudette, Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Nice pic, Photobucket II~*
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Post by Reefs on Jun 13, 2013 1:44:12 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Nice pic, Photobucket II~* Dear Dude/Dudette, Enough photos for today. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Reefs on Jun 13, 2013 1:55:48 GMT -5
Greetings.. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Man you are hilarious!!! Cause you don't chant ANY mantra's on here!!! BBBAAAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!! You could be a verse to the song "Ironic" had Alanis wrote it now that she's into non-duality. "An old man, thought he was awake.... thought everyone had an unconscious take (He'd try to) preach and preach about ev-ver-ry-thing Unaware, it was his ego speaking Isn't it ironic.... Don't ya think?" Are you daft? Of course i chant a mantra, "Let go of beliefs and attachments, and see clearly".. the difference, is i'm not suggesting what should be seen.. E and some others chant mantras saying that oneness and nonduality should be seen, and.. well, you just want people to see you, so you try to provoke and annoy people, so you can say: 'Look at what the Hole did, he provoked and annoyed people'.. LOL.. wait, will it be clearer for you if i make it into a mocking verse? or, if i laugh at you? Who's Alanis? and how can anyone be "into non-duality".. yikes! i asked you a question, as if you could do anything other than try to annoy and provoke and mock.. but, your whole non-duality/oneness fantasy belief, is negated by your belief that you can effect change in 'oneness' by mocking the same oneness, which.. would require someone separate from the oneness, and separate from you, and.. nevermind, occasionally i try to have a conversation with you, but you consistently reveal your intention to not have a conversation that might reveal who or what you actually think you are.. you just keep playing your abrasive role and annoying little Chiuaua-like ankle-biter persona pissin' on those that challenge your beliefs or the beliefs of your masters.. If you think you've provoked me, yep, when i see people intentionally and pointlessly trying to incite conflict to make a point, i'm provoked/motivated to engage them at the same level.. it's the level they've revealed that they understand.. but, i 'get it', there's a 'you', and there's a 'me', and 'we' just disagree.. i don't have a problem with being provoked, or with responding by keeping you dancing at the end of your chain of beliefs.. i don't have any beliefs that make me feel good about provoking or mocking, i only do that as a reflection of 'what i get', in hopes that the reflected energy finds some level of clarity from its source, but.. so far, you've crushed those hopes, LOL.. Rather than continuing your redundantly consistent aggressive opposition to those whose understandings threaten your beliefs, why not engage in discussions that might produce understandings that allow you to exist in a more coherent and less confrontational relationship with the collective membership of this forum? Be well.. Dear Dude/Dudette, He's a daft punk! Shocker! Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by andrew on Jun 13, 2013 2:32:30 GMT -5
Its not necessarily true that there is nothing to know. There might well be. You do speak in terms of absolute truths, you have just found a clever way to disguise that, probably even from yourself. It's not true that there's nothing to know so much as it's false that there IS something to know. Mind tricks itself by making stuff up, and when somebody reveals that illusion, mind thinks some truth is being declared about the absence of what it made up. Its not necessarily false there there is something to know. I think we looked at ideas and saw the same thing basically i.e. that ideas define each other and therefore have no solid foundation. Out of that you came up with 'nothing is ultimately true'. Out of that I came up with 'its all subjective' (which is self-referencing). So when I look at ideas/things, I see an absolute subjectivity. A play of ideas. I see form that is empty of inherent existence and this emptiness is empty of emptiness hehe. What you see is a fixed 'ultimate'. In my frame of reference, there is not necessarily a foundation. In yours, there is. In my frame of reference, there is no fixed belief. In yours, there is. The point of investigating the ideas is to directly undermine truth/falsity (and duality as a whole). Your frame of reference does not undermine it. If we look at the statement, 'no idea is true', we can see that it is self-referencing, and comes sort of close, but it still posits truth/falsity outside of ideas, as such, truth/falsity is not undermined, and therefore it fails to grasp the nature of ideas.
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