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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 17:50:04 GMT -5
I'm saying that you obviously have the capacity for self inquiry since you do it "perpetually". Yet when a question is posed to you to inquire about, the shields go up and a conclusion is made that there's no chooser. I'm saying that such a statement is irrelevant and nothing more than a distraction technique of mind. Additionally, anyone who is constantly inquiring within is not A-okay as figgy suggests. I don't mean to say you're mentally ill or anything. Only to say that such behavior is the result of a mind that is looking for something. What B said is this: Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2721/self-inquiry?page=2#ixzz2PRPkgjmFIt sounded to me like what he was describing was just more of a sense of 'openess,' perhaps the presence of an ongoing sense of curiosity, not so much an actual self referential looking within to say, "Hmmm....what am I doing and thinking now, kind of thing". Actually, 'openness' comes pretty close to describing it. It's rather like perpetually asking the God part within, "what would you have me do now?" Though, I'm sure someone here will pick that apart, too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 18:10:57 GMT -5
Actually, 'openness' comes pretty close to describing it. It's rather like perpetually asking the God part within, "what would you have me do now?" Though, I'm sure someone here will pick that apart, too.hehe...yeah, probably. .....those who thrive on teaching will oft do almost anything to 'find' a student...even create one, if necessary.
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Post by topology on Apr 3, 2013 18:34:51 GMT -5
Seems to me that's why he's pointing it out to you. There's some potential clarity there about what it means to say there is no chooser. Then, I'll never say it again, because all it has done in this case is lead to confusion. I retract my earlier comment. It sounds like it's just a mismatch in terms. You are saying that you ate compelled to sit with the sense of "I Am". Do you find that different than being present? There was a point where there was a switched flipped for me, like the floodlights of awareness turned on and I became hyper aware/present compared to my previous state. I was forced into being aware, like a pressure pushing me into the state.
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Post by earnest on Apr 3, 2013 18:38:03 GMT -5
Actually, 'openness' comes pretty close to describing it. It's rather like perpetually asking the God part within, "what would you have me do now?" Though, I'm sure someone here will pick that apart, too.hehe...yeah, probably. .....those who thrive on teaching will oft do almost anything to 'find' a student...even create one, if necessary. looks like a familiar fork in the road.. If I may be so bold, if you don't want to get teached, be challenged, or have your worldview savaged by some non dual tiger, then perhaps take this as an opportunity to leave this thread.
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Post by enigma on Apr 3, 2013 18:55:05 GMT -5
Actually, 'openness' comes pretty close to describing it. It's rather like perpetually asking the God part within, "what would you have me do now?" Though, I'm sure someone here will pick that apart, too.hehe...yeah, probably. .....those who thrive on teaching will oft do almost anything to 'find' a student...even create one, if necessary. Nobody has said anything, and already you guys have got a story about it.
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Post by silence on Apr 3, 2013 19:01:23 GMT -5
The 'looking' or 'inquiry' about which I speak is like nothing I've ever heard spoken about before, so I can understand how it might be misperceived as I discuss it here. It's more like 'staying in the sense I am', as per Niz. In my case such abidance is in the form of a question, though I haven't the foggiest idea why or how that is. Okay. All of that is fine. I'm basically just addressing whether you can pose a question to yourself and look where it's pointing.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 19:04:51 GMT -5
Then, I'll never say it again, because all it has done in this case is lead to confusion. I retract my earlier comment. It sounds like it's just a mismatch in terms. You are saying that you ate compelled to sit with the sense of "I Am". If 'ate' is just a typo for 'are', then, yes (though, again, 'impelled' might work better). No. In my case, it seems to have happened a bit differently, but otherwise, I can relate, yes.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 19:10:10 GMT -5
The 'looking' or 'inquiry' about which I speak is like nothing I've ever heard spoken about before, so I can understand how it might be misperceived as I discuss it here. It's more like 'staying in the sense I am', as per Niz. In my case such abidance is in the form of a question, though I haven't the foggiest idea why or how that is. Okay. All of that is fine. I'm basically just addressing whether you can pose a question to yourself and look where it's pointing. Well, of course, mind usually poses the question, and that's where the 'choice but no chooser' thing comes into play, but I wasn't really talking about a mind-posed question, really. Those still happen, in my case, but usually only in dealing with work and other practical applications. As to whether one can pose a question to themselves and look to where it's pointing, I suspect that's where mind, and using the mind, come into play. Otherwise, I really don't know, anymore.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 19:11:23 GMT -5
hehe...yeah, probably. .....those who thrive on teaching will oft do almost anything to 'find' a student...even create one, if necessary. Nobody has said anything, and already you guys have got a story about it. Yeah. My bad on that one. (I started it).
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Post by Portto on Apr 3, 2013 19:28:52 GMT -5
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 19:39:39 GMT -5
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Post by silence on Apr 3, 2013 19:40:17 GMT -5
'No chooser' doesn't mean nothing can changed or chosen. Well, in any event, I have no choice, anymore. That's all I was trying to get across. Mind you, I'm not at all interested in a discussion based in semantics but are you saying it seems like you used to have a choice and now you don't?
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Post by silence on Apr 3, 2013 19:47:43 GMT -5
Okay. All of that is fine. I'm basically just addressing whether you can pose a question to yourself and look where it's pointing. Well, of course, mind usually poses the question, and that's where the 'choice but no chooser' thing comes into play, but I wasn't really talking about a mind-posed question, really. Those still happen, in my case, but usually only in dealing with work and other practical applications. As to whether one can pose a question to themselves and look to where it's pointing, I suspect that's where mind, and using the mind, come into play. Otherwise, I really don't know, anymore. I see. In your own version of self inquiry, where do you see mind playing a role if at all?
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 19:54:20 GMT -5
Well, in any event, I have no choice, anymore. That's all I was trying to get across. Mind you, I'm not at all interested in a discussion based in semantics but are you saying it seems like you used to have a choice and now you don't? Well... yeah, I think that the initial act of turning one's attention inward involves a conscious choice (whether or not there be a 'chooser'), and I must have made that choice, at some point (culminating in a major life-altering event on April 24, 1994). Only thing is, that it became a habit, at some point, which turned into an impulsion, and I really don't think I could stop the internal inquiry, even if I tried.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 19:54:55 GMT -5
Well, of course, mind usually poses the question, and that's where the 'choice but no chooser' thing comes into play, but I wasn't really talking about a mind-posed question, really. Those still happen, in my case, but usually only in dealing with work and other practical applications. As to whether one can pose a question to themselves and look to where it's pointing, I suspect that's where mind, and using the mind, come into play. Otherwise, I really don't know, anymore. I see. In your own version of self inquiry, where do you see mind playing a role if at all? I think I answer this in the post above.
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