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Post by laughter on Apr 2, 2013 14:12:18 GMT -5
I agree there's no profit in teaching the truth, as nobody really wants it. As for revealing the truth in that 'brief moment', it gets tricky and stays that way. It is possible for mind to be tricked, confused, and even badgered into seeing, or perhaps experiencing, the truth for a moment, but we have to ask how useful that actually is. It is seen, and then it isn't, and because of the nature of the seeing, there are no tracks left in the mind and no breadcrumbs to follow back to it. This recidivism is because the conditioning has not been changed, and the moment mind realizes it has been tricked, it immediately recovers it's delusional stance and holds on for dear life. If there is the attempt to repeat that 'moment', it is always approached from the perspective of mind grasping for something, which quite effectively prevents success. I agree and that is why a skilled teacher is a necessity. In my opinion, it is the teacher that knows how hard and how far to push the student. The teacher has to be available to rebuild the student's world after an encounter with the direct perceiving of Reality. To me, it's very much like an apprenticeship where the teacher piece by piece, initiates the student into his world of THIS. The teachers skill involves showing the student an alternate view of Reality without the student losing his mind. I don't think that it's possible for anyone to build or to rebuild anyone else's world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 14:27:32 GMT -5
I agree and that is why a skilled teacher is a necessity. In my opinion, it is the teacher that knows how hard and how far to push the student. The teacher has to be available to rebuild the student's world after an encounter with the direct perceiving of Reality. To me, it's very much like an apprenticeship where the teacher piece by piece, initiates the student into his world of THIS. The teachers skill involves showing the student an alternate view of Reality without the student losing his mind. I don't think that it's possible for anyone to build or to rebuild anyone else's world. I'm pretty sure they're called psychiatrists...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 14:29:04 GMT -5
I don't think that it's possible for anyone to build or to rebuild anyone else's world. didn't Tolle help you do some demolition work?
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Post by laughter on Apr 2, 2013 14:43:20 GMT -5
I don't think that it's possible for anyone to build or to rebuild anyone else's world. didn't Tolle help you do some demolition work? Demolition is quite a different matter from the construction phase that trf references ...
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Post by laughter on Apr 2, 2013 14:44:00 GMT -5
I don't think that it's possible for anyone to build or to rebuild anyone else's world. I'm pretty sure they're called psychiatrists... I've only ever seen those guys work from afar and from what I can tell they pretty much delegate everything to the drug companies.
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Post by earnest on Apr 2, 2013 14:50:16 GMT -5
didn't Tolle help you do some demolition work? Demolition is quite a different matter from the construction phase that trf references ... demolition is the bizniz I'm interested in. No more refits, extensions or paint jobs.
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Post by laughter on Apr 2, 2013 14:54:31 GMT -5
Demolition is quite a different matter from the construction phase that trf references ... demolition is the bizniz I'm interested in. No more refits, extensions or paint jobs. f.uckin' A, B AND C
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Post by earnest on Apr 2, 2013 15:06:36 GMT -5
I'm rezzin with how this thread is unfolding. Time to do day job but back this evening to read and comment. Thanks all, your posts are much appreciated.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 2, 2013 15:14:51 GMT -5
So, what questions do you currently use? What questions have you used in the past? What “happened”? Pretty much my entire life, I've been looking inward (alcohol can prevent it, though). To answer your question, though, the question that I 'currently use', is ... ? In other words, I pretty much perpetually inquire within questioningly. It's not a verbal thing, but it is still sensate. Seems to be focused, like, right behind the very center of my back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 18:41:27 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they're called psychiatrists... I've only ever seen those guys work from afar and from what I can tell they pretty much delegate everything to the drug companies. A most serious teacher would have no qualms about using any means available, to loosen a most serious students grip on Reality.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 18:59:25 GMT -5
A most serious teacher would have no qualms about using any means available, to loosen a most serious students grip on Reality.Reality is that which is sought. It is the grip on ignorance which needs loosened.
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Post by laughter on Apr 2, 2013 19:12:55 GMT -5
I've only ever seen those guys work from afar and from what I can tell they pretty much delegate everything to the drug companies. A most serious teacher would have no qualms about using any means available, to loosen a most serious students grip on Reality. Are you referring to that amusing but useful structure also known as "consensus reality"? I wouldn't say that the alternative is something that's gripped ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 19:16:22 GMT -5
Reality is that which is sought. It is the grip on ignorance which needs loosened. Sought: Attempt or desire to obtain or achieve something (that might be the problem)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 21:19:59 GMT -5
A most serious teacher would have no qualms about using any means available, to loosen a most serious students grip on Reality.Reality is that which is sought. It is the grip on ignorance which needs loosened. In my opinion a teacher knows that TRUTH is not sought-able. His only job is convince the student that there is another view of Reality, separate from the one that is normally conceived. And that it is just as pragmatic as the one that the student has a death grip on. It is not so much a gaining of something, but rather a pitting of one view of Reality against another.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 21:25:51 GMT -5
A most serious teacher would have no qualms about using any means available, to loosen a most serious students grip on Reality. Are you referring to that amusing but useful structure also known as "consensus reality"? I wouldn't say that the alternative is something that's gripped ... In my opinion the alternative has to be as all encompassing and pragmatic as the Reality that we normally conceive. Otherwise there's no point in turning in your Volkswagen for a Cadillac.
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