spiritual master

[trivedifans]

Mahendra Kumar Trivedi was born in a small town in
central India. As a child Trivedi exhibited unique abilities with
extraordinary levels of perception and intelligence, including having a
100% photographic memory.  In 1995, Trivedi was “guided” to use his
unique gift -now referred to as the Trivedi Effect™ – for the betterment of humanity. The Trivedi Effect
is a technique of mental energy transmission that, according to
thousands of well-documented scientific studies, has the ability to
profoundly affect matter and positively impact human wellness. Trivedi
has devoted his life to harnessing the powers of this gift and using it
in everything from human wellness and sustainable agriculture to atomic
and cellular research. Trivedi’s work within the international
scientific community is extensive and ongoing. Read more......

[arisha]

It's good that he was tested and there are proofs and scientific evidences that such extraordinary abilities are real.
I hope people will believe me more now when I tell them about MrG. He can also do the same things as Mr.Trivedi, plus he has extra telepathy abilities and clairvoyant abilities which Mr.Trivedi may also have, who knows.

[Deleted]

my intuition tells me this thread will end up in the spiritual spam marketing section

[laughter]

I hereby anoint farmer the real "spiritual master" on the basis of his clairvoyance!

[topology]

Where are the well documented studies?

[merrick]

Mar 28, 2013 8:56:49 GMT -5 topology said:

Where are the well documented studies?

Does it really matter? Looks like another guru circus. People often foolishly gauge someone s spiritual understanding by their paranormal abilities. Many a spiritually blind person, many a black magician possesses strong paranormal powers. True magic lies in unconditional Love. Everything else is a fake.

Merrick

[Peter]

Mar 28, 2013 8:56:49 GMT -5 topology said:

Where are the well documented studies?

Not like you to be so lazy, Top! Seek and ye shall find.

We got another, erm, Trivedi enthusiast coming in this morning so I did a bit of digging and produced this post in the welcome section. Felt a bit bad about jumping on a newbie with results of analysis, but the chances are he's here to Promote His Guru rather than have a discussion so I call fair play.

What was interesting for me is that while the experiment referred to - biofield treatement of cancer cells - got some quite startling results the first time round, they got nothing the second which made for inconclusive results. I've written to the guy concerned to ask if he could confirm that it was Trivedi himself in both sets of experiments. I think that's often the way with these claims of "powers" of one sort or another, they never stand up in the lab. And I can't decide if that's because they're ultimately all placebo effect, or if there's some more specific causal reason for that - an appearance of The Veil, perhaps.

I moved this thread to Spiritual Teachers rather than marketing section because I was impressed that it was actually possible to find at least some of this published research so we can actually have a discussion about it, whereas I don't think there's any point in having a discussion about marketing.

Mar 28, 2013 19:26:34 GMT -5 merrick said:

True magic lies in unconditional Love. Everything else is a fake.

Isn't it possible that "unconditional love" is what's going on here? That's certainly how I feel about Reiki. I do find it interesting that "results" can be measured in the lab, but apparently not proven.

P

Edit: Potentially more relevant (but also more WooWoo) link to The Veil here: spiritquest-panama.blogspot.fr/2011/09/veil-that-separates-us-from-spirit.html

[topology]

May 30, 2013 3:33:01 GMT -5 Peter said:

Mar 28, 2013 8:56:49 GMT -5 topology said:

Where are the well documented studies?

Not like you to be so lazy, Top! Seek and ye shall find.

We got another, erm, Trivedi enthusiast coming in this morning so I did a bit of digging and produced this post in the welcome section. Felt a bit bad about jumping on a newbie with results of analysis, but the chances are he's here to Promote His Guru rather than have a discussion so I call fair play.

What was interesting for me is that while the experiment referred to - biofield treatement of cancer cells - got some quite startling results the first time round, they got nothing the second which made for inconclusive results. I've written to the guy concerned to ask if he could confirm that it was Trivedi himself in both sets of experiments. I think that's often the way with these claims of "powers" of one sort or another, they never stand up in the lab. And I can't decide if that's because they're ultimately all placebo effect, or if there's some more specific causal reason for that - an appearance of The Veil, perhaps.

I moved this thread to Spiritual Teachers rather than marketing section because I was impressed that it was actually possible to find at least some of this published research so we can actually have a discussion about it, whereas I don't think there's any point in having a discussion about marketing.

Mar 28, 2013 19:26:34 GMT -5 merrick said:

True magic lies in unconditional Love. Everything else is a fake.

Isn't it possible that "unconditional love" is what's going on here? That's certainly how I feel about Reiki. I do find it interesting that "results" can be measured in the lab, but apparently not proven.

P

Edit: Potentially more relevant (but also more WooWoo) link to The Veil here: spiritquest-panama.blogspot.fr/2011/09/veil-that-separates-us-from-spirit.html

Yes it was a challenge to the poster to do the work of backing their claims.

Science has a willful blind eye when it comes to investigating the woowoo. Science throws out subjective testimony for a variety of reasons, including the inconsistency of self-reporting due to varying degrees of self-awareness and sensitivity. The real trouble is that there needs to be a control for Reiki, such as a person sitting by themselves to compare against when they are being worked on. There also has to be the elimination of other non-reiki effects. The act of having someone be with you whom you believe is actively sending you positive energy is a fairly strong placebo effect in itself. That is interpreted as a demonstration of love and acceptance which from my own experience can have an emotionally transmuting effect. It is truly a quagmire to make scientific analysis of all this to make a formal repeatable statistically significant claim that is free of alternate explanations. Is Reiki any better than someone merely loving you and spending time with you and you knowing it?

But my real reason in responding is to confront your stated justification for banning Max, as in wasting the Mod's time because he has children to feed and bathe. Obviously the mod has enough time to be poking around the Internet for Trivedi papers, reading them and thinking about them. This also takes away from the Mod spending time with his children (unless it doesn't?).

Could there be another reason for the banning? Any latent resentment at having the hubris of being critical of the Mod's actions with respect to Q?

[kapilsharma]

Certainly this man Mahendra trivedi have different power.By reading his websites.

[topology]

Jun 1, 2013 1:20:21 GMT -5 kapilsharma said:

Certainly this man Mahendra trivedi have different power.By reading his websites.

Do you believe everything you read on the Internet,

[Deleted]

Mar 28, 2013 19:26:34 GMT -5 merrick said:

Mar 28, 2013 8:56:49 GMT -5 topology said:

Where are the well documented studies?

Does it really matter? Looks like another guru circus. People often foolishly gauge someone s spiritual understanding by their paranormal abilities. Many a spiritually blind person, many a black magician possesses strong paranormal powers. True magic lies in unconditional Love. Everything else is a fake.

Merrick

I like to play a little poker now and again, which is why I kinda dug Richard Rose. He talked about white magic as a way of getting favorable cards dealt to him. I'm starting to think all magic is illusion and to focus on the love bit. In any case I would bet that any amount of white magic wouldnt trump a good old fashioned card counter.

[Deleted]

Paging James Randi....

[Deleted]

May 30, 2013 7:22:51 GMT -5 topology said:

May 30, 2013 3:33:01 GMT -5 Peter said:

Not like you to be so lazy, Top! Seek and ye shall find.

We got another, erm, Trivedi enthusiast coming in this morning so I did a bit of digging and produced this post in the welcome section. Felt a bit bad about jumping on a newbie with results of analysis, but the chances are he's here to Promote His Guru rather than have a discussion so I call fair play.

What was interesting for me is that while the experiment referred to - biofield treatement of cancer cells - got some quite startling results the first time round, they got nothing the second which made for inconclusive results. I've written to the guy concerned to ask if he could confirm that it was Trivedi himself in both sets of experiments. I think that's often the way with these claims of "powers" of one sort or another, they never stand up in the lab. And I can't decide if that's because they're ultimately all placebo effect, or if there's some more specific causal reason for that - an appearance of The Veil, perhaps.

I moved this thread to Spiritual Teachers rather than marketing section because I was impressed that it was actually possible to find at least some of thin published research so we can actually have a discussion about it, whereas I don't think there's any point in having a discussion about marketing.

Isn't it possible that "unconditional love" is what's going on here? That's certainly how I feel about Reiki. I do find it interesting that "results" can be measured in the lab, but apparently not proven.

P

Edit: Potentially more relevant (but also more WooWoo) link to The Veil here: spiritquest-panama.blogspot.fr/2011/09/veil-that-separates-us-from-spirit.html

Yes it was a challenge to the poster to do the work of backing their claims.

Science has a willful blind eye when it comes to investigating the woowoo. Science throws out subjective testimony for a variety of reasons, including the inconsistency of self-reporting due to varying degrees of self-awareness and sensitivity. The real trouble is that there needs to be a control for Reiki, such as a person sitting by themselves to compare against when they are being worked on. There also has to be the elimination of other non-reiki effects. The act of having someone be with you whom you believe is actively sending you positive energy is a fairly strong placebo effect in itself. That is interpreted as a demonstration of love and acceptance which from my own experience can have an emotionally transmuting effect. It is truly a quagmire to make scientific analysis of all this to make a formal repeatable statistically significant claim that is free of alternate explanations. Is Reiki any better than someone merely loving you and spending time with you and you knowing it?

But my real reason in responding is to confront your stated justification for banning Max, as in wasting the Mod's time because he has children to feed and bathe. Obviously the mod has enough time to be poking around the Internet for Trivedi papers, reading them and thinking about them. This also takes away from the Mod spending time with his children (unless it doesn't?).

Could there be another reason for the banning? Any latent resentment at having the hubris of being critical of the Mod's actions with respect to Q?

I have been interested in seeing a reiki practicioner...need to quit some harmful habits such as smoking, and I need to get some bad juju unblocked and regain some flow. Should I remember p.t. barnums axiom, or just do it yo? Mentations like "I am love" ain't moving this blocked, static energy.

[topology]

Jun 2, 2013 6:55:59 GMT -5 @djembebum said:

May 30, 2013 7:22:51 GMT -5 topology said:

Yes it was a challenge to the poster to do the work of backing their claims.

Science has a willful blind eye when it comes to investigating the woowoo. Science throws out subjective testimony for a variety of reasons, including the inconsistency of self-reporting due to varying degrees of self-awareness and sensitivity. The real trouble is that there needs to be a control for Reiki, such as a person sitting by themselves to compare against when they are being worked on. There also has to be the elimination of other non-reiki effects. The act of having someone be with you whom you believe is actively sending you positive energy is a fairly strong placebo effect in itself. That is interpreted as a demonstration of love and acceptance which from my own experience can have an emotionally transmuting effect. It is truly a quagmire to make scientific analysis of all this to make a formal repeatable statistically significant claim that is free of alternate explanations. Is Reiki any better than someone merely loving you and spending time with you and you knowing it?

But my real reason in responding is to confront your stated justification for banning Max, as in wasting the Mod's time because he has children to feed and bathe. Obviously the mod has enough time to be poking around the Internet for Trivedi papers, reading them and thinking about them. This also takes away from the Mod spending time with his children (unless it doesn't?).

Could there be another reason for the banning? Any latent resentment at having the hubris of being critical of the Mod's actions with respect to Q?

I have been interested in seeing a reiki practicioner...need to quit some harmful habits such as smoking, and I need to get some bad juju unblocked and regain some flow. Should I remember p.t. barnums axiom, or just do it yo? Mentations like "I am love" ain't moving this blocked, static energy.

If you are going to get into energy work, I highly recommend listening to Caroline Myss's Audio Lectures on Energy Anatomy. She presents an excellent template relating energy to the psyche and makes the argument that energy is like electricity and the psyche is like a circuit board. Energy work can temporarily flood the system to give a "positive" energy flow, but if the psyche doesn't "rewire" then the energy flow is going to settle back into the old patterns. Energy work, meditation, ATA all have gentle rewiring effects, but usually for a strong block it helps speed things along to look at the psychological components. What is the block related to? When did it first appear in your life? What pay-off is the individual persona getting for having and keeping the block active? Digging to find the root of the block and then continuing to sit with it in full awareness until the issue evaporates.

Use your self-awareness and intuition. What's the block about? When did it first come into your life? And what payoff are you getting for keeping the block intact?

[Deleted]

Jun 2, 2013 8:21:29 GMT -5 topology said:

Jun 2, 2013 6:55:59 GMT -5 @djembebum said:

I have been interested in seeing a reiki practicioner...need to quit some harmful habits such as smoking, and I need to get some bad juju unblocked and regain some flow. Should I remember p.t. barnums axiom, or just do it yo? Mentations like "I am love" ain't moving this blocked, static energy.

If you are going to get into energy work, I highly recommend listening to Caroline Myss's Audio Lectures on Energy Anatomy. She presents an excellent template relating energy to the psyche and makes the argument that energy is like electricity and the psyche is like a circuit board. Energy work can temporarily flood the system to give a "positive" energy flow, but if the psyche doesn't "rewire" then the energy flow is g9oing to settle back into the old patterns. Energy work, meditation, ATA all have gentle rewiring effects, but usually for a strong block it helps speed things along to look at the psychological components. What is the block related to? When did it first appear in your life? What pay-off is the individual persona getting for having and keeping the block active? Digging to find the root of the block and then continuing to sit with it in full awareness until the issue evaporates.

Use your self-awareness and intuition. What's the block about? When did it first come into your life? And what payoff are you getting for keeping the block intact?

the payoff is what I need to examine most. For instance, I enjoy sad, houndog old country songs and sing them pretty effectivley. Now, to do that means I must identify with the lyrics. So my payoff in holding to a brokenhearted persona is the ability to emote while singing. When I look at this from a larger perspective, I find that the game may not be worth the candle, and i would rather trancend those emotions than be ruled by them.But I still like the songs, the gutteral energetic contractions, etc. What a mess am I! (Funny, as I write this a van drove by with a sticker that reads "Got Reiki?"...hmmmm)