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Post by silver on Mar 23, 2013 14:23:51 GMT -5
I don't see the word deceitful. You used that word, not me. Why would there be a huddle or game playing if I don't particularly care for Reef's personality? I don't even understand that question! |
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Post by topology on Mar 23, 2013 14:24:38 GMT -5
Interesante. So his good off-forum relationship with Hetero completely blinded him to Hetero's on-line behavior. So maybe all we have to do is give him a few compliments and all of our transgressions will just be invisible!  Yes, I like to speak up for Andrew too. Andrew is a pillar of kindness in these rough ascension times. He is a shining example of konditional luv in an environment where there is no love at all. He speaks up for the unfortunate who cannot defend themselves and corners the villains when appropriate. Mocking. What value do you place in this behavior Reefs? |
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Post by topology on Mar 23, 2013 14:29:10 GMT -5
Because you're the one talking (so I am referring specifically to the speaker) and what you have to say sounds like its coming from a wounded place. I know that subconsciously, perhaps, lots of people treat each other 'differently' if they sense someone 'wounded' - opportunists or some just generally avoid or are aware of something - do you think this is generally true of 'non-dual' and 'dual' people? And yeah, I'm 'wounded' to a degree but I'm not so sure that those you may consider non-wounded are any less 'wounded' because anyone else is. So, does further friction applied to someone already in that shape makes things better for the irritant type person for whatever motivation? Does it change anything for the better for either party? The experience of pain is a signal to tell you to take care of your wounds. Having wounds and not taking care of them, healing them, is a form of self-neglect. It's a disservice to everyone that you come into relationship with. |
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Post by topology on Mar 23, 2013 14:34:14 GMT -5
Because you're the one talking (so I am referring specifically to the speaker) and what you have to say sounds like its coming from a wounded place. Okay, I'll bite. How so? And just keep in mind, it's 'cheating' because you already know some things...That sounds like an out and out admission to coming from a hurt place. When you engage Reefs (as opposed to Andrew) is there anything or any part of you that constricts or tenses when replying or in anticipation of the response? |
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Post by silver on Mar 23, 2013 14:34:33 GMT -5
I know that subconsciously, perhaps, lots of people treat each other 'differently' if they sense someone 'wounded' - opportunists or some just generally avoid or are aware of something - do you think this is generally true of 'non-dual' and 'dual' people? And yeah, I'm 'wounded' to a degree but I'm not so sure that those you may consider non-wounded are any less 'wounded' because anyone else is. So, does further friction applied to someone already in that shape makes things better for the irritant type person for whatever motivation? Does it change anything for the better for either party? The experience of pain is a signal to tell you to take care of your wounds. Having wounds and not taking care of them, healing them, is a form of self-neglect. It's a disservice to everyone that you come into relationship with. I understand. In this world, with all the complications though, I dont know how the majority of people with wounds could possibly even come close to tending to their psychic wounds and make themselves 'perfect' and avoid f'ing up their relationships. Not that peeps shouldn't try and do something about it. As I recall, I said to you that I sensed you, too, have some wounds going on. And I feel strongly about that. I didn't say it to 'win' some argument. What about that? |
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Post by topology on Mar 23, 2013 14:36:05 GMT -5
And I'm surprised you still see choosing sides. Do you think I like Reefs personality or something? I wouldn't venture a guess on that one... What I see / sense is a huddle - a game-playing. You said you sense a huddle, game playing. I've already stated I don't like Reefs manner of interaction. But you still perceive huddles and game playing? Do you think I'm lying? |
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Post by silver on Mar 23, 2013 14:39:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't venture a guess on that one... What I see / sense is a huddle - a game-playing. You said you sense a huddle, game playing. I've already stated I don't like Reefs manner of interaction. But you still perceive huddles and game playing? Do you think I'm lying? I don't even know what you'd be lying about - this line of questinoing doesn't make a lot of sense - it doesn't make any sense to me. I said I sense it, I don't know exactly what form it's taking place in. There's no worry on my part of your 'lying' whatever that means... |
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Post by silver on Mar 23, 2013 14:47:12 GMT -5
Because you're the one talking (so I am referring specifically to the speaker) and what you have to say sounds like its coming from a wounded place. I know that subconsciously, perhaps, lots of people treat each other 'differently' if they sense someone 'wounded' - opportunists or some just generally avoid or are aware of something - do you think this is generally true of 'non-dual' and 'dual' people? And yeah, I'm 'wounded' to a degree but I'm not so sure that those you may consider non-wounded are any less 'wounded' because anyone else is. So, does further friction applied to someone already in that shape makes things better for the irritant type person for whatever motivation? Does it change anything for the better for either party? See? I already admitted it there. It's not news, really. fyi |
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Post by topology on Mar 23, 2013 14:48:40 GMT -5
You said you sense a huddle, game playing. I've already stated I don't like Reefs manner of interaction. But you still perceive huddles and game playing? Do you think I'm lying? I don't even know what you'd be lying about - this line of questinoing doesn't make a lot of sense - it doesn't make any sense to me. I said I sense it, I don't know exactly what form it's taking place in. There's no worry on my part of your 'lying' whatever that means... Well, from where I am at, it doesn't look like I'm in a huddle with Reefs. But I suppose we could say that the three stars that make up Orion's belt APPEAR to be in a huddle from such a great distance.  |
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Post by topology on Mar 23, 2013 14:49:38 GMT -5
I know that subconsciously, perhaps, lots of people treat each other 'differently' if they sense someone 'wounded' - opportunists or some just generally avoid or are aware of something - do you think this is generally true of 'non-dual' and 'dual' people? And yeah, I'm 'wounded' to a degree but I'm not so sure that those you may consider non-wounded are any less 'wounded' because anyone else is. So, does further friction applied to someone already in that shape makes things better for the irritant type person for whatever motivation? Does it change anything for the better for either party? See? I already admitted it there. It's not news, really. fyi Sorry I missed the response. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 23, 2013 15:42:01 GMT -5
I don't see the word deceitful. You used that word, not me. Why would there be a huddle or game playing if I don't particularly care for Reef's personality? This is what happens when we begin at the end, with a preconceived idea or feeling that we're attached to, and then go to work to justify it. We end up with a story that usually requires continual revision as it keeps running into facts that contradict it. However, mind is far too clever to be fooled by facts as it can just make up it's own and allow itself to believe them. She hasn't currently written the chapter that explains your 'low behavior' when you have no particular allegiance to Reefs, but it's just a matter of time. I could prolly write it for her, but I wouldn't want to infringe on her copy-write. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 23, 2013 15:43:16 GMT -5
Why would there be a huddle or game playing if I don't particularly care for Reef's personality? I don't even understand that question! Looks like that chapter isn't finished yet.  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 23, 2013 15:53:48 GMT -5
Because you're the one talking (so I am referring specifically to the speaker) and what you have to say sounds like its coming from a wounded place. I know that subconsciously, perhaps, lots of people treat each other 'differently' if they sense someone 'wounded' - opportunists or some just generally avoid or are aware of something - do you think this is generally true of 'non-dual' and 'dual' people? And yeah, I'm 'wounded' to a degree but I'm not so sure that those you may consider non-wounded are any less 'wounded' because anyone else is. So, does further friction applied to someone already in that shape makes things better for the irritant type person for whatever motivation? Does it change anything for the better for either party? I can only guess from here, but it seems to me you've talked repeatedly about seeing/responding to things a little differently. Looking more objectively, taking things less personally, and such. You've also seen some errors in your perception on occasion, even if your reaction is to justify it. Just the seeing of it is helpful. Are you saying none of this has happened at all? |
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Post by silver on Mar 23, 2013 16:20:36 GMT -5
Why would there be a huddle or game playing if I don't particularly care for Reef's personality? This is what happens when we begin at the end, with a preconceived idea or feeling that we're attached to, and then go to work to justify it. We end up with a story that usually requires continual revision as it keeps running into facts that contradict it. However, mind is far too clever to be fooled by facts as it can just make up it's own and allow itself to believe them. She hasn't currently written the chapter that explains your 'low behavior' when you have no particular allegiance to Reefs, but it's just a matter of time. I could prolly write it for her, but I wouldn't want to infringe on her copy-write. Even though I don't understand your comments/questions (because I don't play that particular game), I don't think Top asked questions that made sense - to me, anyway. I know you're 'getting at something', I just don't relate - not fully. |
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Post by silver on Mar 23, 2013 16:22:36 GMT -5
I know that subconsciously, perhaps, lots of people treat each other 'differently' if they sense someone 'wounded' - opportunists or some just generally avoid or are aware of something - do you think this is generally true of 'non-dual' and 'dual' people? And yeah, I'm 'wounded' to a degree but I'm not so sure that those you may consider non-wounded are any less 'wounded' because anyone else is. So, does further friction applied to someone already in that shape makes things better for the irritant type person for whatever motivation? Does it change anything for the better for either party? I can only guess from here, but it seems to me you've talked repeatedly about seeing/responding to things a little differently. Looking more objectively, taking things less personally, and such. You've also seen some errors in your perception on occasion, even if your reaction is to justify it. Just the seeing of it is helpful. Are you saying none of this has happened at all? Why does that particular response indicate to you that now I'm acting like none of those things happened. (Oh, and I wanted to say in that last post that Top, too has switched tag team partner(s). Sure, doc. I'll hop up on the examining table - just as soon as you do. |
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