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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 0:30:03 GMT -5
Nothing is simple with the Andrews. There are layers and layers of motivations hidden deep beneath his login. There's so much talk about style and proper behavior and motivations here that we're about to turn the forum into a full time self help group and I'm not interested in that. I'm becoming less inclined to work with the self help folks (What the personal perspective peeps call rude, arrogant, condescending low behavior) and talk about nonduality for a change, assuming anybody's interested. The Andrews are all typical lightworkers. They are all on a mission. Unicorn-Andrew talks about souls lined up in the astral sphere to come here down into the physical realms to experience contrast in order to have a joyride with Bashar and such ... when no one is buying that we have Context-Andrew stepping in saying that this kind of scenario applies only in one special context, so no reason for ringing the BS bells... and if no one is buying into that either, well, then we have Position-Andrew pointing out stuckness everywhere to divert attention... and if the stuckness attention should come back to the Andrews again then Manners-Andrew can always start a 'how to behave' or 'anti-negativity' campaign... and if that doesn't work then we always have Escape-Hatch-Andrew showing us his latest moves in the art of word-lawyering... yes, ascension times are fun...  |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 0:43:27 GMT -5
next thing you know he'll start chain smoking and yelling at people Has Niz ever said "Love made me do it"?  I don't recall him revealing his secret motives. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 0:45:25 GMT -5
Grievance is quite a strong word....I don't feel it represents my own situation, I've seen this again and again with you. You seem to be some sort of word chef crafting the perfect word combination. Every word has all sorts of deep meaning and feeling states you associate with it. This also seems to be the root of why you take everything so seriously. Words don't seem to be symbols for you. They seem to take on a reality of their own where you endlessly challenge word combinations rather than acknowledge what they're representing. Word chef in the word prison kitchen.  |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 0:46:50 GMT -5
Great self-help teachers, hehe. Bashar, Robbins and Byron Katie? next thing you know he'll start chain smoking and yelling at people As a play of ideas, why not...?  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 22, 2013 1:12:44 GMT -5
Has Niz ever said "Love made me do it"? I don't recall him revealing his secret motives. Well, there ya go. Obviously low behavior and not 'great teacher' material at all.  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 22, 2013 1:15:59 GMT -5
I've seen this again and again with you. You seem to be some sort of word chef crafting the perfect word combination. Every word has all sorts of deep meaning and feeling states you associate with it. This also seems to be the root of why you take everything so seriously. Words don't seem to be symbols for you. They seem to take on a reality of their own where you endlessly challenge word combinations rather than acknowledge what they're representing. Word chef in the word prison kitchen. That's where he made all his word lawyer connections. That explains a lot.  |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 1:29:29 GMT -5
I don't recall him revealing his secret motives. Well, there ya go. Obviously low behavior and not 'great teacher' material at all. Actually he said that he isn't doing anything. The Andrews seem to be fixated on the food-body. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 1:54:38 GMT -5
Word chef in the word prison kitchen. That's where he made all his word lawyer connections. That explains a lot. That's where they got all serious. The Andrews are missing a certain lightheartedness as their endless bellyaching about perceived mocking shows. Actually mocking isn't really negative or intended to give some kind of 'sting'. And it's also far from obnoxious. The actual obnoxious sting is the passive aggressiveness of the moralists around here with their long long lists of 'how to behave spiritually correct' and their attempts to fix the outlaws. Teasing is appropriate in situations where discussions are going full circle in a broken record style and where those involved already started digging trenches. As soon as the excavation teams start their noble work, all logic and common sense is usually gone. Obnoxious moralistic finger-pointing is the POV from inside the trenches and will only increase the stuckness. Teasing is the POV from above the battlefield, the birds eye perspective so to speak. The teaser is the lighthearted one, the one that is already detached from the situation. The obnoxious moralist is the deadly serious one, the one that is still attached to the situation. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 22, 2013 2:58:36 GMT -5
Well, there ya go. Obviously low behavior and not 'great teacher' material at all. Actually he said that he isn't doing anything. The Andrews seem to be fixated on the food-body. What?? No personal motivations at all?? How is that possible?? He must have been avoiding or sumthin. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 22, 2013 3:01:59 GMT -5
That's where he made all his word lawyer connections. That explains a lot. That's where they got all serious. The Andrews are missing a certain lightheartedness as their endless bellyaching about perceived mocking shows. Actually mocking isn't really negative or intended to give some kind of 'sting'. And it's also far from obnoxious. The actual obnoxious sting is the passive aggressiveness of the moralists around here with their long long lists of 'how to behave spiritually correct' and their attempts to fix the outlaws. Teasing is appropriate in situations where discussions are going full circle in a broken record style and where those involved already started digging trenches. As soon as the excavation teams start their noble work, all logic and common sense is usually gone. Obnoxious moralistic finger-pointing is the POV from inside the trenches and will only increase the stuckness. Teasing is the POV from above the battlefield, the birds eye perspective so to speak. The teaser is the lighthearted one, the one that is already detached from the situation. The obnoxious moralist is the deadly serious one, the one that is still attached to the situation. Sounds like what we need is a crusade to encourage more mocking and put a stop to this awful obnoxious moralism. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 3:07:46 GMT -5
Actually he said that he isn't doing anything. The Andrews seem to be fixated on the food-body. What?? No personal motivations at all?? How is that possible?? He must have been avoiding or sumthin. He did the 'consciousness talking to consciousness' cop out. Basically he attached himself to a 'prior to everything' position. Which might be true in one context but not the ultimate truth. Hard to shake those guys out of their stuckness. He has transcended the personal and got stuck in the impersonal. Basically he was only swapping beliefs. Given his particular path and the dangers that come with that path, playing identity poker now and then would have been useful. He was even so deluded that he couldn't see his attachment to cheap cigarettes. He called it 'a habit of the body'. Haha! Yeah, right. The body cop out. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 22, 2013 3:09:03 GMT -5
Are you thinking it's like a person either being in a room or being absent from the room? Like maybe a sign comes on when there's a vacancy and otherwise it's off? No, I'm thinking that there must be some awareness or knowing that the person isn't absent and that you address that. This is actually a very interesting issue. What makes you think that the person isn't absent? Would you say the person was absent when you reported those posts? Is the person absent when you mock people? How do you know? What is the difference you notice when the person is absent and when the person is not absent? Furthermore, what action do you take in order to absentee the person when the awareness is there that the person is present? Bump for E to consider answering. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 3:13:11 GMT -5
That's where they got all serious. The Andrews are missing a certain lightheartedness as their endless bellyaching about perceived mocking shows. Actually mocking isn't really negative or intended to give some kind of 'sting'. And it's also far from obnoxious. The actual obnoxious sting is the passive aggressiveness of the moralists around here with their long long lists of 'how to behave spiritually correct' and their attempts to fix the outlaws. Teasing is appropriate in situations where discussions are going full circle in a broken record style and where those involved already started digging trenches. As soon as the excavation teams start their noble work, all logic and common sense is usually gone. Obnoxious moralistic finger-pointing is the POV from inside the trenches and will only increase the stuckness. Teasing is the POV from above the battlefield, the birds eye perspective so to speak. The teaser is the lighthearted one, the one that is already detached from the situation. The obnoxious moralist is the deadly serious one, the one that is still attached to the situation. Sounds like what we need is a crusade to encourage more mocking and put a stop to this awful obnoxious moralism. I wouldn't say that we 'need' it. But it could be useful. It's a strange game this moralists game, ye know. The only winning move is ....  |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 3:15:29 GMT -5
No, I'm thinking that there must be some awareness or knowing that the person isn't absent and that you address that. This is actually a very interesting issue. What makes you think that the person isn't absent? Would you say the person was absent when you reported those posts? Is the person absent when you mock people? How do you know? What is the difference you notice when the person is absent and when the person is not absent? Furthermore, what action do you take in order to absentee the person when the awareness is there that the person is present? Bump for E to consider answering. Which Andrew is speaking here?  |
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Post by andrew on Mar 22, 2013 3:18:14 GMT -5
That's where he made all his word lawyer connections. That explains a lot. That's where they got all serious. The Andrews are missing a certain lightheartedness as their endless bellyaching about perceived mocking shows. Actually mocking isn't really negative or intended to give some kind of 'sting'. And it's also far from obnoxious. The actual obnoxious sting is the passive aggressiveness of the moralists around here with their long long lists of 'how to behave spiritually correct' and their attempts to fix the outlaws. Teasing is appropriate in situations where discussions are going full circle in a broken record style and where those involved already started digging trenches. As soon as the excavation teams start their noble work, all logic and common sense is usually gone. Obnoxious moralistic finger-pointing is the POV from inside the trenches and will only increase the stuckness. Teasing is the POV from above the battlefield, the birds eye perspective so to speak. The teaser is the lighthearted one, the one that is already detached from the situation. The obnoxious moralist is the deadly serious one, the one that is still attached to the situation. ''Mocking isn't negative or intended to give some kind of 'sting'. And its also far from obnoxious'' How's your forum going Reefs? Last time I looked, there were more people leaving than coming. I have a feeling that you are a forum clearer. |
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