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Post by enigma on Mar 27, 2013 19:38:57 GMT -5
Top's request to be reminded when he is not 'coming empty' in an interaction surely wasn't the open invitation of unfounded accusation and projection that you and others seem to think it was. While I personally appreciate Top's transparency, I'm not sure to what extent he realizes everything he says can and will be used against him in a court of word law. If, in fact, this forum were not punctuated by a level of unconscious insanity, then said level of transparency would indeed be an asset to the community. As it is, it just serves as more ammunition. I'm going to disagree, E. I think the transparency puts on more of a human, relatable face. Besides, I can't be anything but transparent. It creates a split in my mind and a great deal of self-consciousness to not be transparent. Reefs gets a fair amount of flack because he's unrelatable. With you, people know what you look like, know that Marie exists, and talk about your experiences more. Who knows if Reefs is even of the same species? I'm putting my money on teenage mutant mole rat. A distinct possibility!  |
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Post by laughter on Mar 27, 2013 19:41:20 GMT -5
I'm going to disagree, E. I think the transparency puts on more of a human, relatable face. Besides, I can't be anything but transparent. It creates a split in my mind and a great deal of self-consciousness to not be transparent. Reefs gets a fair amount of flack because he's unrelatable. With you, people know what you look like, know that Marie exists, and talk about your experiences more. Who knows if Reefs is even of the same species? I'm putting my money on teenage mutant mole rat. A distinct possibility! Reefs finally exposed for what he is! (wow Phil, looks like you lost some weight from that pic up there ...) |
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Post by topology on Mar 27, 2013 20:22:56 GMT -5
I haven't asked you to be my student. If you want you can ask my wife, these are my 'normal' conversations... I asked for specific examples of deflections so they can be reviewed and discussed. Being open and being direct seem to be more orthogonal dimensions. Being open, I see as willingness to share details. Being direct is simply addressing the matter at hand without being circuitous or waffling or evading.  What? Are you gonna give me her phone number? (I will refrain from the psychoanalysis ~ yw.) You already have access to her through FB. What was there to psycho-analyze? I didn't follow. While I am not like you and/or Reefs (it's not my style to make Lists of stuff and even though I can be lawyerish, it's more natural to avoid dissertations and walls o' words - I'm not judging them negatively - I'm just not 'up to' that sort of 'conversation'), I'm not attempting to avoid directness. Orthogonal? Is that some type of bird? Dumb it down just a wee bit, please, Top. Orthogonal means movement in one direction doesn't require movement in the other direction. The same level of openness can have varying degrees of directness and vice versa. Moving forward and moving sideways are orthogonal movements. Example: ranges in directness 1) Go Away! 2) I think you should leave 3) Maybe it would be best if you left 4) Why are you here? 5) You'd have a better experience over there. 6) I thought you were interested in being over there. 7) How's the weather over there? 8) I hear over-there is a great place to go. Example: ranges in openness. 1) Maybe it would be best if you left. 2) There are people here who are feeling hurt by what you say, maybe it would be best if you left. 3) What you are saying is hurting people. 4) Suzy was hurt by what you said. 5) Suzy's mom just passed away and what you said hurt her feelings. 6) Can we talk about what you just said? It felt hurtful. 7) Are you alright? What's happening lately, you seem to be aggravated. I'm here to talk if you need someone to talk to. 8) *Gives a big bear hug* Let's go grab a beer and shoot the shit. 9) I love you, man! Anyhow, I don't know if I have the scale of openness right. Openness seems to go in many different directions. The range I was trying to express was from not sharing details, to sharing details, to having no details to share cause they be shared already. I guess I lack the erudition and/or the patience to put together the depth of information you require. Why do you think I require anything from you? |
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Post by topology on Mar 27, 2013 20:24:54 GMT -5
A distinct possibility! Reefs finally exposed for what he is! (wow Phil, looks like you lost some weight from that pic up there ...)I figured that would prompt some image searching!  Reefs is a naked mole rat ninja until proven otherwise with a real image of the fiend. |
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Post by topology on Mar 27, 2013 20:28:17 GMT -5
Can I have an example of how you think I was more transparent before and less transparent now? I'll answer the simpler question first. Granted, it's a relatively quick and dirty assessment - it's perhaps not so much transparency as something else - not sure what. Ima Waiting.  |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 27, 2013 20:34:20 GMT -5
Top, Enigma, Laughter... I suggest you guys get clear about your motives right now, especially Top - do you need another reminder? When Andy comes back after a hard lightworker's slumber and slips back into his full Christ Consciousness body again he will stand up against your mocking and ask you about your motivations. Better be prepared and have a good story which aligns with the story Andy got from feeling/sensing himself into your blocked spiritual shadow energies .... ... or else...  |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 27, 2013 20:58:34 GMT -5
By that logic all comments fall into the same category.. i figure Top will understand the discussion better than an advocate, it was his request to be 'reminded'.. Be well.. Top's request to be reminded when he is not 'coming empty' in an interaction surely wasn't the open invitation of unfounded accusation and projection that you and others seem to think it was. While I personally appreciate Top's transparency, I'm not sure to what extent he realizes everything he says can and will be used against him in a court of word law. If, in fact, this forum were not punctuated by a level of unconscious insanity, then said level of transparency would indeed be an asset to the community. As it is, it just serves as more ammunition. Yup. Top's request makes preparing the stake so much easier now. When he disagrees, just post a short and sweet reminder and he will be forced to shut up, or at least he has to explain himself again - which is basically the same in this arena. That can be repeated endlessly and in any situation.  In politics, fence-sitters are dangerous. Fence-sitters are not part of a greater agenda except their own so they can't be trusted. It's kinda impossible to integrate them into the party's agenda. They can switch sides anytime and screw up the entire plot. They can screw up a plot that has been carefully woven over years in just a few days. In politics the fence-sitters usually go with the wind. The direction the fence-sitter goes is usually the direction the public opinion wind blows. So when the party plot has public support, the fence-sitter can be a great asset. But when the party plot isn't going to be a popular one, the fence-sitter has to be taken care of. The fence-sitter has to be very careful also since he will likely end up between chairs. However, no matter how much the warring parties disagree, they will all agree on this one point, that the fence-sitter is a time bomb and has to be taken out sooner or later. So when one party is finally trying to take care of the fence-sitter, the party has to be sure that the opposition party backs off beforehand so it can fully concentrate on the mischievous renegade, or else the opposition will seize that opportunity to align with the fence-sitter and it will be a war on 2 fronts for the other party again. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 27, 2013 21:25:16 GMT -5
Reefs finally exposed for what he is! (wow Phil, looks like you lost some weight from that pic up there ...)I figured that would prompt some image searching! Reefs is a naked mole rat ninja until proven otherwise with a real image of the fiend. Those front teeth are impressive. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 27, 2013 21:33:52 GMT -5
To be totally frank, I consider top to be one of the least, if not THE least judgmental person here, Ag. Hence, I simply cannot put the above statement and my understanding of tops together. Like, in any way whatsoever. I agree. I'm aligned with the energy of his integrity as he seeks to explore what in blazes is really going on. The anit-club club has picked on the least biased of the group in trying to demonstrate bias, which strikes me as odd. I speculate his neutrality is a threat because if he really is neutral, then his comments have to be taken seriously and can't be dismissed as clubhouse activity. He has and will disagree with me, but as I've said, there's a difference between a particular perspective on a given tree, which is fine, and seeing a giraffe instead of a tree, which is delusion. Yup, yup. One shouldn't mistake Top's natural mental disposition and preferences as some kind of foggy bias. He seems to be the Libra type that naturally is weighing the pros and cons about everything. He rarely spins stories. Basically, his storytelling skills suck. |
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Post by topology on Mar 27, 2013 21:50:07 GMT -5
Top, Enigma, Laughter... I suggest you guys get clear about your motives right now, especially Top - do you need another reminder? When Andy comes back after a hard lightworker's slumber and slips back into his full Christ Consciousness body again he will stand up against your mocking and ask you about your motivations. Better be prepared and have a good story which aligns with the story Andy got from feeling/sensing himself into your blocked spiritual shadow energies .... ... or else... Something that Andrew and I would likely agree on that may not sit well with the club is that I actually think 12-22-2012 heralded a thematic shift globally. Whether that was a self-fulfilling prophecy because of the hyped date or some cosmic wave of energy from the aligning of the planets, I have no idea. But the thematic shift that I experienced in my own life and in the structures around me was an increased pressure towards integrity. Things which were out of integrity were no longer being supported energetically and things need to move towards integrity or dissolve out of it's own self-destructive orientation. This is also a natural out cropping of the Internet facilitating instant communication and increased widespread awareness if issues. It took a few weeks for me to realize that the "air" felt different. I don't put much stock in the concept of Ascension, however, I can completely see how the Celestine Prophecy's suggestion that there could be two worlds simultaneously existing in physical space but hardly interacting in psychic space due to an incompatibility in vibration. The eyes may see a body but the attention slides away because there is no energetic engagement between the two perceptive fields. LOA at work. This would be an "ascending" into a new energetic equilibrium, not vibrating off the planet. Stubbing your toe is still going to fucking hurt. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 27, 2013 21:50:27 GMT -5
I agree. I'm aligned with the energy of his integrity as he seeks to explore what in blazes is really going on. The anit-club club has picked on the least biased of the group in trying to demonstrate bias, which strikes me as odd. I speculate his neutrality is a threat because if he really is neutral, then his comments have to be taken seriously and can't be dismissed as clubhouse activity. He has and will disagree with me, but as I've said, there's a difference between a particular perspective on a given tree, which is fine, and seeing a giraffe instead of a tree, which is delusion. Yup, yup. One shouldn't mistake Top's natural mental disposition and preferences as some kind of foggy bias. He seems to be the Libra type that naturally is weighing the pros and cons about everything. He rarely spins stories. Basically, his storytelling skills suck. It's good to have sucky storytelling skills. |
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Post by topology on Mar 27, 2013 21:56:24 GMT -5
I agree. I'm aligned with the energy of his integrity as he seeks to explore what in blazes is really going on. The anit-club club has picked on the least biased of the group in trying to demonstrate bias, which strikes me as odd. I speculate his neutrality is a threat because if he really is neutral, then his comments have to be taken seriously and can't be dismissed as clubhouse activity. He has and will disagree with me, but as I've said, there's a difference between a particular perspective on a given tree, which is fine, and seeing a giraffe instead of a tree, which is delusion. Yup, yup. One shouldn't mistake Top's natural mental disposition and preferences as some kind of foggy bias. He seems to be the Libra type that naturally is weighing the pros and cons about everything. He rarely spins stories. Basically, his storytelling skills suck. Yeah, actually there was a time as a kid that I did a lot of creative writing, but then I became all emo. I was like "hey dad, read what I wrote" and he was like "That's nice son, but I have to go to work.". And I was like "I'm never going to be good enough for you.". And I took my pencil and stabbed myself in the heart, and now I can't feel nothing any more.... actually there's more truth in that than exaggeration. Yeah my story telling sucks now. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 27, 2013 22:07:34 GMT -5
Top, Enigma, Laughter... I suggest you guys get clear about your motives right now, especially Top - do you need another reminder? When Andy comes back after a hard lightworker's slumber and slips back into his full Christ Consciousness body again he will stand up against your mocking and ask you about your motivations. Better be prepared and have a good story which aligns with the story Andy got from feeling/sensing himself into your blocked spiritual shadow energies .... ... or else... Something that Andrew and I would likely agree on that may not sit well with the club is that I actually think 12-22-2012 heralded a thematic shift globally. Whether that was a self-fulfilling prophecy because of the hyped date or some cosmic wave of energy from the aligning of the planets, I have no idea. But the thematic shift that I experienced in my own life and in the structures around me was an increased pressure towards integrity. Things which were out of integrity were no longer being supported energetically and things need to move towards integrity or dissolve out of it's own self-destructive orientation. This is also a natural out cropping of the Internet facilitating instant communication and increased widespread awareness if issues. It took a few weeks for me to realize that the "air" felt different. I don't put much stock in the concept of Ascension, however, I can completely see how the Celestine Prophecy's suggestion that there could be two worlds simultaneously existing in physical space but hardly interacting in psychic space due to an incompatibility in vibration. The eyes may see a body but the attention slides away because there is no energetic engagement between the two perceptive fields. LOA at work. This would be an "ascending" into a new energetic equilibrium, not vibrating off the planet. Stubbing your toe is still going to xing hurt. TMT The 'heralded shift' was just nlp-ed into being, mostly by new-agers programming themselves and others since the 1960's. They set this powerful marker, a lot of momentum and expectations behind it. Just hafta watch a little Derren Brown to get a rough idea. There wasn't a dramatic shift, maybe in some peoples personal stories, but not globally, nothing erratic happened. Globally the pace is steady and slow as usual. If your focus is on an event of change, then there are expectations, so when the time of the expected event has arrived, LOA will have its way with you no matter if actually anything happened or not. You will see signs that confirm your story everywhere and signs that contradict your story nowhere. Just look at the stories in the 'you are what you seek' thread. So much input to the contrary of the stories told there, it was totally ignored, the momentum of the story was too strong, the story had its way with the storyteller. editless edit: in a self-help environment finding a story that is pleasing to you and sticking to that story no matter what is actually seen as the appropriate thing to do. An ascension story can be a very good one. It gives meaning and sense to those who need things to make sense. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 27, 2013 22:52:51 GMT -5
Something that Andrew and I would likely agree on that may not sit well with the club is that I actually think 12-22-2012 heralded a thematic shift globally. Whether that was a self-fulfilling prophecy because of the hyped date or some cosmic wave of energy from the aligning of the planets, I have no idea. But the thematic shift that I experienced in my own life and in the structures around me was an increased pressure towards integrity. Things which were out of integrity were no longer being supported energetically and things need to move towards integrity or dissolve out of it's own self-destructive orientation. This is also a natural out cropping of the Internet facilitating instant communication and increased widespread awareness if issues. It took a few weeks for me to realize that the "air" felt different. I don't put much stock in the concept of Ascension, however, I can completely see how the Celestine Prophecy's suggestion that there could be two worlds simultaneously existing in physical space but hardly interacting in psychic space due to an incompatibility in vibration. The eyes may see a body but the attention slides away because there is no energetic engagement between the two perceptive fields. LOA at work. This would be an "ascending" into a new energetic equilibrium, not vibrating off the planet. Stubbing your toe is still going to xing hurt. TMT The 'heralded shift' was just nlp-ed into being, mostly by new-agers programming themselves and others since the 1960's. They set this powerful marker, a lot of momentum and expectations behind it. Just hafta watch a little Derren Brown to get a rough idea. There wasn't a dramatic shift, maybe in some peoples personal stories, but not globally, nothing erratic happened. Globally the pace is steady and slow as usual. If your focus is on an event of change, then there are expectations, so when the time of the expected event has arrived, LOA will have its way with you no matter if actually anything happened or not. You will see signs that confirm your story everywhere and signs that contradict your story nowhere. Just look at the stories in the 'you are what you seek' thread. So much input to the contrary of the stories told there, it was totally ignored, the momentum of the story was too strong, the story had its way with the storyteller. editless edit: in a self-help environment finding a story that is pleasing to you and sticking to that story no matter what is actually seen as the appropriate thing to do. An ascension story can be a very good one. It gives meaning and sense to those who need things to make sense. Zacklie....Er, I mean....I energetically rez with that. Marie and I talked about this at the time of the great Christ consciousness shift, and I said if enough peeps believe something is gonna happen, it probly will, at least for them. I talked about it in terms of consciousness creating from within the dream. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 27, 2013 23:14:54 GMT -5
TMT The 'heralded shift' was just nlp-ed into being, mostly by new-agers programming themselves and others since the 1960's. They set this powerful marker, a lot of momentum and expectations behind it. Just hafta watch a little Derren Brown to get a rough idea. There wasn't a dramatic shift, maybe in some peoples personal stories, but not globally, nothing erratic happened. Globally the pace is steady and slow as usual. If your focus is on an event of change, then there are expectations, so when the time of the expected event has arrived, LOA will have its way with you no matter if actually anything happened or not. You will see signs that confirm your story everywhere and signs that contradict your story nowhere. Just look at the stories in the 'you are what you seek' thread. So much input to the contrary of the stories told there, it was totally ignored, the momentum of the story was too strong, the story had its way with the storyteller. editless edit: in a self-help environment finding a story that is pleasing to you and sticking to that story no matter what is actually seen as the appropriate thing to do. An ascension story can be a very good one. It gives meaning and sense to those who need things to make sense. Zacklie....Er, I mean....I energetically rez with that. Marie and I talked about this at the time of the great Christ consciousness shift, and I said if enough peeps believe something is gonna happen, it probly will, at least for them. I talked about it in terms of consciousness creating from within the dream. Lightworkers are the best storytellers ever. Just take the NESARA story. It was toadally blown out of proportions but a really fun read for years. The basic story was that there's more than enough resources and money to go around for everyone on the planet to live happily ever after. But there's an evil cabal running this planet that doesn't want to share. The cabal was linked to the Bush administration, the supreme court and bankster and a lot more. The story goes that the evil cabal elite was infiltrated by lightworkers who were working on releasing secret funds, quadrillions of USD. As soon as the benevolent lightworkers could get hold of the funds of the malevolent cabal they would distribute the goodies evenly among the planet's population. It it was tricky business, because the evil cabal was moving the funds around constantly and the truckloads of money and gold and such. There were always announcements like "funds expected to released next month, evil cabal about to collapse in a couple of weeks" etc. But it was usually postponed to the next month and then to the next and so on for years. Global events like 9-11 were also incorporated into the story as a way of destroying data and such. And since the evil cabal is working together with evil aliens from the astral realms, well, the lightworkers are still behind schedule even though they have support from the higher astral realms too! But, the higher realms usually don't want to mess with the free will, so they only send love and such... and nothing changes.  edit: Just had a look at the talk page and someone mentioned circular reasoning "Criticism of us is evidence of Government misinformation and propaganda and proves our point. You can only get the truth here (Nesara)." Now, why does that sound so familiar??  |
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What? Are you gonna give me her phone number? (I will refrain from the psychoanalysis ~ yw.)
Reefs is a naked mole rat ninja until proven otherwise with a real image of the fiend. 
