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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2013 4:24:51 GMT -5
Those without love (as e&r claim there is no love) have demonstrated what it means to be without love. A good example has been adduced. "All we need is to support our egos" - this is their true core. I have not claimed there is no love. What I claim is that you don't know what it is, and therefore what you think is loving is actually closer to moral indignance, which explains your behavior on this forum. Of course Arisha knows what love is, just as all humans have a reference for love. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2013 4:28:17 GMT -5
Its hogwash, because what is prior to appearances, the realm of ideas is.....nothing. Yes, talking about what is prior can be useful as a pointer away from conditioned beliefs, but that's it. In the end, the love that appears in the realm of appearances and ideas is the real deal, its the love that we all know, and the only reason you set yourself against it, is to set yourself above others. Again. The mother and the herioc person are not experiencing a different 'love'. The mother and the heroic person were two example of the same thing. Where did I say they were experiencing a different love? You are saying that the unrealized have no reference for the love that the realized do. In fact you said to Arisha back there...''What I claim is that you don't know what it is''. You also said...''what is being put forth as love prior to realization is not love at all''. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2013 7:02:03 GMT -5
Greetings..
What i am observing is a small group of people, a 'club' maybe, that is attached to a couple of beliefs.. one belief is a form of neo-advaita.. the other, supported by the first, is that they need conflict and drama to create the illusion that there is something in their beliefs worth fighting for, but.. as of yet, i have observed no clarity, this 'club' remains firmly attached to their beliefs..
This is evidenced by the confrontational way the small group refuses to have actual discussion, and resorts to confrontational tactics to keep people from having their own discussions amongst themselves.. if those genuinely interested in exploring 'isness' simply had the discussions and ignored the bullies that want to keep the focus on themselves through conflict (divide and conquer), there might actually be some progress toward peace and harmony in 'this' forum..
Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2013 7:13:36 GMT -5
Greetings..
Adding to the last post i made, i just visited the forum created by 'the club'.. and, it seem that the agreement and peacefulness of people 'rezzin' with each other is not sufficient.. hence, the 'club' spends much more time at this forum, posts much more at this forum.. and the tone of their posts is much more confrontational at this forum.. it seems as if confrontation is the club's motivation..
Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 7:17:00 GMT -5
Greetings.. Adding to the last post i made, i just visited the forum created by 'the club'.. and, it seem that the agreement and peacefulness of people 'rezzin' with each other is not sufficient.. hence, the 'club' spends much more time at this forum, posts much more at this forum.. and the tone of their posts is much more confrontational at this forum.. it seems as if confrontation is the club's motivation.. Be well.. Good eye, tzu |
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Post by topology on Jan 26, 2013 8:29:35 GMT -5
Greetings.. Adding to the last post i made, i just visited the forum created by 'the club'.. and, it seem that the agreement and peacefulness of people 'rezzin' with each other is not sufficient.. hence, the 'club' spends much more time at this forum, posts much more at this forum.. and the tone of their posts is much more confrontational at this forum.. it seems as if confrontation is the club's motivation.. Be well.. I see 4 people actively confronting Enigma. Reefs is just plain confrontational, but heterodox and Andrew are confronting him. Your previous posted told non-club members to switch away from confrontation if that is not what they want. So what if Enigma and Reefs are still posting here? Everyone agreeing with eachother isn't as stimulating. The "conflict" and tension is how we show our love for each other.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 11:46:10 GMT -5
Greetings.. Adding to the last post i made, i just visited the forum created by 'the club'.. and, it seem that the agreement and peacefulness of people 'rezzin' with each other is not sufficient.. hence, the 'club' spends much more time at this forum, posts much more at this forum.. and the tone of their posts is much more confrontational at this forum.. it seems as if confrontation is the club's motivation.. Be well.. Yes Tzu, I noticed that too when I checked out that forum. They have all sorts of guidelines in place, so they can have the forum experience they say they want, and yet, they continue to come to this one, spending far more time here than on their own, to engage in the very 'nonsense' (their words) that they say they are trying to stay away from, on their own forum. It looks like they are out of alignment with what they 'say' they want. In my world, actions always speak louder than words. It would appear as though there is something here that is powerfully drawing them here and away from their own forum. I say it is the very thing they say they do not want. Conflict. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2013 13:41:59 GMT -5
Germidgipilion......Phragmiriladrian..... (HA! I think I won!.....unless I didn't)  If I had to guess, I'd say that's a banana riding a lama, but that might be a giraffe. ;D |
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2013 13:43:20 GMT -5
Hmmm, it's true I've seen lots of club activity today, and it seems to encourage them to fall more deeply asleep and say crazier things. I think you have a good point there. crazier giraffes:  Very cool.  |
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2013 14:09:46 GMT -5
Seems to me Reefs is helping him explore. What's your issue with that? I just said in the message I wrote. I think there is some level of ego playing out, which is fine, but if there is, some level of monitoring would be useful. What you said, in language which your word lawyers will not approve, is that Reefs is helping H explore by engaging in fact finding to demonstrate what is really going on for him, and your conclusion from that is that he's trying to prove something from ego and needs to monitor himself, showing him how un-guru-like his behavior is, blah, blah. I don't think you understand how subjective points of view really are because you repeatedly offer your convoluted stories as though it is the only obvious one. You have no interest in Hetero's plagiarism or lying, but only in discrediting Reefs, so your particular story ignores the 'exploring' and looks for ways to slam Reefs. H did precisely the same thing, so by your indifference you are supporting him. Your enemies can't say anything without being told they're coming from ego and not being loving or acting inappropriately, but your friends can plagiarize and lie and you don't blink an eye. You pat each other on the back and your stories gain momentum and seem even more true. All the while you imagine you're coming from love and trying to help. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2013 14:11:32 GMT -5
No, but I'm not oblivious to the anger and judgment of others. I don't see anyone hating, I think that's your giraffe, and it does imply that you are hating. Then you see me hating. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2013 14:14:12 GMT -5
I have not claimed there is no love. What I claim is that you don't know what it is, and therefore what you think is loving is actually closer to moral indignance, which explains your behavior on this forum. Of course Arisha knows what love is, just as all humans have a reference for love. You have a conceptual reference and that's why it causes trouble. That's how trying to express the idea of love so easily turns to hate and then hides behind it's own definition. |
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Post by arisha on Jan 26, 2013 14:16:01 GMT -5
Yes, conflict and confrontation give them energy which they lack.
So, it is obvious that such people need help, and more attention. They are too weak spiritually.
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2013 14:16:10 GMT -5
The mother and the heroic person were two example of the same thing. Where did I say they were experiencing a different love? You are saying that the unrealized have no reference for the love that the realized do. In fact you said to Arisha back there...''What I claim is that you don't know what it is''. You also said...''what is being put forth as love prior to realization is not love at all''. Yes, but what I just asked you is "The mother and the heroic person were two example of the same thing. Where did I say they were experiencing a different love?" |
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2013 14:22:48 GMT -5
Greetings.. What i am observing is a small group of people, a 'club' maybe, that is attached to a couple of beliefs.. one belief is a form of neo-advaita.. the other, supported by the first, is that they need conflict and drama to create the illusion that there is something in their beliefs worth fighting for, but.. as of yet, i have observed no clarity, this 'club' remains firmly attached to their beliefs.. This is evidenced by the confrontational way the small group refuses to have actual discussion, and resorts to confrontational tactics to keep people from having their own discussions amongst themselves.. if those genuinely interested in exploring 'isness' simply had the discussions and ignored the bullies that want to keep the focus on themselves through conflict (divide and conquer), there might actually be some progress toward peace and harmony in 'this' forum.. Be well.. Peace and harmony are not possible on this forum. It would require that the participants either be conscious and see what's actually going on, or place themselves under strict rules of conduct. The latter is indeed an option, but I don't know what value there is in such a gathering. |
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