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Post by Reefs on Jan 25, 2013 21:43:18 GMT -5
When someone can't express his understanding in his own unique words I'd say he hasn't really understood what he is talking about. I skipped over your paraphrasing. Maybe someone else will come along later and hand you the gold star you're seeking. A young child cannot express their understanding in their own words. Same awareness. Probably even more aware than the one who can express their understanding in their own unique words. You are not a young child. You claim to have grandchildren. You copied EXACTLY the way it was written elsewhere, often even with EXACTLY the same punctuation. You aren't even capable of just paraphrasing. That's how far your understanding goes.  |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 25, 2013 21:45:09 GMT -5
IMO there should be a forum rule against copy/pasting/integrating sages' phrases into ones own posts without attribution, pretty much verbatim. Reported to moderator. I agree. It's not fair to the originator or the reader. It's a simple enough thing to do. I guess it was just an act of love to not give due credit. Now, what kind of love would that be? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2013 21:48:15 GMT -5
Reefs.....do you think are you being loving in this discussion? Are you demonstrating behaviour of 'one' that has fully embodied love and is done with intermediary? Do you think there may be a bit of ego playing itself out? Coz here is the thing. You, and a couple of others, don't seem to ever self-monitor or question your behaviour, or look at where your choices are coming from. And in fact, you say that to do so, is deluded. So it seems you don't ask yourself...'is this love? Is this loving behaviour? Is this mutually beneficial behaviour? Who/what am I serving right now?' Now, no self-monitoring or questioning or uncertainty might be justified IF your actions were clearly absent of ego. But I think it is quite apparent that ego does still play a role in your life (and I am not claiming to be perfect either!). I don't hear 'dox claiming to have embodied love fully, I don't hear him claiming to be without intermediary. I hear him acknowledging that he is exploring. I am willing to bet that he does self-monitor to some extent. Seems to me Reefs is helping him explore. What's your issue with that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 21:48:55 GMT -5
Are you saying he didn't put quotation marks around any of those?  Yes. He didn't. He sold it as his own clever musings. Now we know it's just clowning. Heterodox is a bird in borrowed feathers. This explains the contradictions. Yeah, you and Ramana. You blend. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 21:51:34 GMT -5
You claim to have grandchildren. [/quote] Yup. I was seeing the very young grandchildren as I wrote it. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2013 21:51:36 GMT -5
It's unfortunate, Heterodox, that you're in the middle of a bicker with Reefs because I think your shields are at maximum and you're just not going to be able to see what others are seeing in you. I think you're buying into the story that reefs is telling himself. But that's your business. I'm participating in discussions when I'm here. Ideas are ideas. They all come from the same source. In my experience, there are a few people here that are clear backwards and forwards, inside and out. Reefs, enigma, and yourself aren't on the short list. Physician heal thyself (not sure who said that, it was not originated by me) We all have lots of golden opportunities. I do my best to take advantage of them. You? I predict you're going to brush me off on this point, so here's your alternative "take home": Please attribute all future quotes you make, to avoid accusations of pretending-to-be-something-you're-not from coming up in the future. I'll do that. But I'm going to request you ask the same of enigma, and reefs, too. I asked for consistency on another thread, and it wasn't forthcoming. Show me one place where I have failed to provide attribution. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 25, 2013 21:52:30 GMT -5
Yes. He didn't. He sold it as his own clever musings. Now we know it's just clowning. Heterodox is a bird in borrowed feathers. This explains the contradictions. Yeah, you and Ramana. You blend. Your quotes don't blend with your understanding and style. That's why it was so easy to spot.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 21:56:10 GMT -5
Reefs.....do you think are you being loving in this discussion? Are you demonstrating behaviour of 'one' that has fully embodied love and is done with intermediary? Do you think there may be a bit of ego playing itself out? Coz here is the thing. You, and a couple of others, don't seem to ever self-monitor or question your behaviour, or look at where your choices are coming from. And in fact, you say that to do so, is deluded. So it seems you don't ask yourself...'is this love? Is this loving behaviour? Is this mutually beneficial behaviour? Who/what am I serving right now?' Now, no self-monitoring or questioning or uncertainty might be justified IF your actions were clearly absent of ego. But I think it is quite apparent that ego does still play a role in your life (and I am not claiming to be perfect either!). I don't hear 'dox claiming to have embodied love fully, I don't hear him claiming to be without intermediary. I hear him acknowledging that he is exploring. I am willing to bet that he does self-monitor to some extent. Seems to me Reefs is helping him explore. What's your issue with that? Seems to you. LOL If you were any kind of friend, you'd help him out of the rut he's in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 21:58:40 GMT -5
Yeah, you and Ramana. You blend. Your quotes don't blend with your understanding and style. That's why it was so easy to spot. I'm aware of your story. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2013 21:59:31 GMT -5
Those without love (as e&r claim there is no love) have demonstrated what it means to be without love. A good example has been adduced. "All we need is to support our egos" - this is their true core. I have not claimed there is no love. What I claim is that you don't know what it is, and therefore what you think is loving is actually closer to moral indignance, which explains your behavior on this forum. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2013 22:05:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 22:33:04 GMT -5
Some of us can see for ourselves. So you keep saying. I'm aware of those who can see for themselves. They're not clever, and they're not here 24/7. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2013 22:54:29 GMT -5
It's precisely because most peeps wouldn't have a clue that they weren't his own words/thoughts/feelings/truths/realizations and whatnot that moved me to complain. Nothing to do with plagiarism in the slightest. I don't ask a lot of questions onsite. I stopped doing so when I read Adyashanti's pointer, "The answer is in the disappearance of the questioner." His insight is now my insight. It makes sense to me. But Peter, enigma, reefs, etc. have all kinds of questions. I'll let you decide why that is. I already understand it. Figs recent complaint was that I don't have questions, so it seems there's no way to win with the hate crowd. The haters already know everything, and the truth doesn't seem to have any bearing on what they know. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 22:59:34 GMT -5
I don't ask a lot of questions onsite. I stopped doing so when I read Adyashanti's pointer, "The answer is in the disappearance of the questioner." His insight is now my insight. It makes sense to me. But Peter, enigma, reefs, etc. have all kinds of questions. I'll let you decide why that is. I already understand it. Figs recent complaint was that I don't have questions, so it seems there's no way to win with the hate crowd. The haters already know everything, and the truth doesn't seem to have any bearing on what they know. So now there's a hate crowd. Not very interesting. |
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Post by Beingist on Jan 25, 2013 23:08:18 GMT -5
I don't ask a lot of questions onsite. I stopped doing so when I read Adyashanti's pointer, "The answer is in the disappearance of the questioner." His insight is now my insight. It makes sense to me. But Peter, enigma, reefs, etc. have all kinds of questions. I'll let you decide why that is. I already understand it. Figs recent complaint was that I don't have questions, so it seems there's no way to win with the hate crowd. The haters already know everything, and the truth doesn't seem to have any bearing on what they know. I hear ya, E. |
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