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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2013 14:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by silver on Jan 25, 2013 14:52:01 GMT -5
according to webster: to plagiarize 1) to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source 2) to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source I already agreed to attribute quotes. I don't see anyone attributing quotes to freud's viewpoints. Its just a given. And it's spoken of a lot here. All you're doing on a daily basis is carving up wholeness. Deepak points at awareness all the time. Aja and Candice O' Denver liken it to resting in awareness. Nisargadatta and Ramana point to awareness as the gold standard for freedom. It isn't some big secret. I already agreed to attribute quotes. I don't see anyone attributing quotes to freud's viewpoints. Its just a given. And it's spoken of a lot here. All you're doing on a daily basis is carving up wholeness. Deepak points at awareness all the time. Aja and Candice O' Denver liken it to resting in awareness. Nisargadatta and Ramana point to awareness as the gold standard for freedom. It isn't some big secret.[/quote] *nods vigorously* That's some beef, James, given that there are plenty of peeps who wouldn't have a clue that they're some 'famous' person's quotations...because they're little bitty sound bites - I believe plagiarism is a worry but only when it involves whole paragraphs / chapters / books. Idk...seems rather petty to me. I tried to post this an hour or so ago, but then got the ISE message, so I don't know what may've transpired between now and then - fyi |
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Post by silver on Jan 25, 2013 14:56:42 GMT -5
That was great, loved it~ |
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Post by james on Jan 25, 2013 15:01:58 GMT -5
It's precisely because most peeps wouldn't have a clue that they weren't his own words/thoughts/feelings/truths/realizations and whatnot that moved me to complain. Nothing to do with plagiarism in the slightest.
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Post by silver on Jan 25, 2013 15:45:13 GMT -5
It's precisely because most peeps wouldn't have a clue that they weren't his own words/thoughts/feelings/truths/realizations and whatnot that moved me to complain. Nothing to do with plagiarism in the slightest. *stupid computer* Anyway, I'm not willing to make a big deal, just want to know what the focus is then, if it's not really plagiarism that you see a problem with. They're just words put together in a reasonable way - nothing stupendous about them, really - any of us could come up with those exact words, and I do think Het would have done well to mention if they weren't words he came up with all on his own. And there's enough healthy egos around here, with various ways of putting them on display - even if they don't think that they are - they are.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 15:52:56 GMT -5
It's precisely because most peeps wouldn't have a clue that they weren't his own words/thoughts/feelings/truths/realizations and whatnot that moved me to complain. Nothing to do with plagiarism in the slightest. I don't ask a lot of questions onsite. I stopped doing so when I read Adyashanti's pointer, "The answer is in the disappearance of the questioner." His insight is now my insight. It makes sense to me. But Peter, enigma, reefs, etc. have all kinds of questions. I'll let you decide why that is. I already understand it. |
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Post by arisha on Jan 25, 2013 16:11:01 GMT -5
If one resonates with the idea of No-Love, - it's not something that is compatible with the HUMAN society. It's not about HUMANS. It's from the heaviest vibes of non-human type. HUMANS are supposed to be different - in the sense that HUMANS - even when understanding the things, the collapse, the entropy - still choose to be HUMANS, choose Love, the ideas of Love, and the acts of Love. That's what HUMANS are predestined for. To be on the next level as compared to beasts. Even if the Force which rules the World is against love, humans remain HUMANS. Usually. If they are. If they are able to be different from other species. No theory can be a valid one (for humans) if it promotes the brutality of No-Love. No Truth can be Truth in this case. .
Who decides what Truth is?- Everyone decides by themselves. Heavy vibrations of those who promote the theories about No-Love reveal the Truth about such theories and their followers. Let egoists stay where they are, LOL. Who needs their "truth"? They are not allowed even to come closer to It. The world is manifested not by means of hatred, but by means of Love. The entropy grows with No-Love. But the new manifestation is due to Love, and never due to No-Love.
There is no truth which stands aside from what HUMANS are for. Those who think they are above HUMANS, and can invent theories for non-humans have chosen their way. They will never be on the path. Only beyond any path, in complete isolation. There are Forces in the Universe which take measures against such entropy makers, and stop them from having ANY realization.
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Post by james on Jan 25, 2013 16:23:09 GMT -5
Did you read the passages? For me the selection contains some very poetic statements, or statements with a lot of clarity. I don't think very many people CAN write like that. When you say 'any of us' are you including yourself (I've not seen it on this forum at least)? And you can exclude me from this list...  I don't have any idea what this means, or how it relates to this subject. I don't know about THE focus, I can only talk about my reasons for complaining. Of course it's not a perfect analogy by any means, but it's one that comes to mind. You need some work doing on your house (spiritual work on yourself). You peruse the classified ads (forum) for a contractor (teacher). You read his voluminous CV and portfolio (posts). You like what you see. So you hire him (start taking an interest in him). He starts work (continues posting) but you get the feeling something's a bit odd about the quality of his product. A visiting friend who know a lot about building reviews his portfolio and points out that a goodly portion of his portfolio and CV are fabricated, copy/pasted from some of the world's best builders no less - smoothly mixed in with his own stuff. Personally, I'd feel like I had no option but fire (warn or ban) that 'builder' for misrepresentation, whatever the reasons behind it were. My confidence in him would be shot. |
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Post by silver on Jan 25, 2013 16:29:13 GMT -5
Did you read the passages? For me the selection contains some very poetic statements, or statements with a lot of clarity. I don't think very many people CAN write like that. When you say 'any of us' are you including yourself (I've not seen it on this forum at least)? And you can exclude me from this list... I don't have any idea what this means, or how it relates to this subject. I don't know about THE focus, I can only talk about my reasons for complaining. Of course it's not a perfect analogy by any means, but it's one that comes to mind. You need some work doing on your house (spiritual work on yourself). You peruse the classified ads (forum) for a contractor (teacher). You read his voluminous CV and portfolio (posts). You like what you see. So you hire him (start taking an interest in him). He starts work (continues posting) but you get the feeling something's a bit odd about the quality of his product. A visiting friend who know a lot about building reviews his portfolio and points out that a goodly portion of his portfolio and CV are fabricated, copy/pasted from some of the world's best builders no less - smoothly mixed in with his own stuff. Personally, I'd feel like I had no option but fire (warn or ban) that 'builder' for misrepresentation, whatever the reasons behind it were. My confidence in him would be shot. I know you could've used a far better analogy - it just doesn't fit this scenario/situation, James. I mean, if this were happening IRL, the exchanges on this forum, someone would say hey, that's so-and-so's words - just a peep trying to be clever - is it just that? I don't think Het is trying to 'show off' so much as getting a heart-felt message to people through the use of some apropos phrases. I don't think it's time to call the Sheriffs just yet.  Yeah, I know I'm no 'poet', rofl. We ALL get lucky, sometimes, though, in my estimation. |
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Post by james on Jan 25, 2013 16:36:09 GMT -5
Hi... I'm not sure what this has to do with what I posted (you quoted my post, so I assumed it was a reply?). I was saying that I complained not because of plagiarism but because you mixed it in with your own words with no attribution, making it look to everyone (with or without intent, I have no idea) like you were saying it.
If it's no big deal to you, or you are already enlightened or whatever, then... good for you. I was just moved to complain, for the reasons given.
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2013 16:37:39 GMT -5
I don't think Het is trying to 'show off' so much as getting a heart-felt message to people through the use of some apropos phrases. I don't think it's time to call the Sheriffs just yet. Agree |
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Post by james on Jan 25, 2013 16:44:56 GMT -5
This will be my last response to you. How do you know I could've used a far better analogy? This was the best one I thought of. The analogy doesn't fit this scenario/situation in your opinion, but In my opinion it does. But you seem to be citing its inappropriateness as fact. I have no idea whether you think that IS fact, or it's just your style of communication.
I have no problem with what your opinions are. Edit: This does not mean I agree with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 16:51:08 GMT -5
Hi... I'm not sure what this has to do with what I posted (you quoted my post, so I assumed it was a reply?). I was saying that I complained not because of plagiarism but because you mixed it in with your own words with no attribution, making it look to everyone (with or without intent, I have no idea) like you were saying it. If it's no big deal to you, or you are already enlightened or whatever, then... good for you. I was just moved to complain, for the reasons given. If anyone ever tells you they know the truth- run! I'm at a point in my journey where words like Deepak's, or Adyashanti's, or Aja's, or Thich's, or Vasistha's are my words. They inhabit my world on a moment to moment basis. They're all pointing in the same direction. Wholeness. If you feel moved to complain, great! Complain. Be the best complainer you can be in the moment. But please return to mindfulness (I don't know who to attribute the term mindfulness to as there are so many who point to it. Pardon me) when you're finished. edited for incomplete sentence in parenthesis |
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Post by silver on Jan 25, 2013 16:56:59 GMT -5
This will be my last response to you. How do you know I could've used a far better analogy? This was the best one I thought of. The analogy doesn't fit this scenario/situation in your opinion, but In my opinion it does. But you seem to be citing its inappropriateness as fact. I have no idea whether you think that IS fact, or it's just your style of communication. I have no problem with what your opinions are. Edit: This does not mean I agree with them. They're all just our opinions. I'm sure most of us don't agree with half the people on this forum and in the world. Challenging ideas and stuff is what I seem to end up doing, and I don't mean any harm by doing so. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 25, 2013 20:44:53 GMT -5
Reefs.....do you think are you being loving in this discussion? Are you demonstrating behaviour of 'one' that has fully embodied love and is done with intermediary? Do you think there may be a bit of ego playing itself out? Coz here is the thing. You, and a couple of others, don't seem to ever self-monitor or question your behaviour, or look at where your choices are coming from. And in fact, you say that to do so, is deluded. So it seems you don't ask yourself...'is this love? Is this loving behaviour? Is this mutually beneficial behaviour? Who/what am I serving right now?' Now, no self-monitoring or questioning or uncertainty might be justified IF your actions were clearly absent of ego. But I think it is quite apparent that ego does still play a role in your life (and I am not claiming to be perfect either!). I don't hear 'dox claiming to have embodied love fully, I don't hear him claiming to be without intermediary. I hear him acknowledging that he is exploring. I am willing to bet that he does self-monitor to some extent. You do an awful lot of finger-pointing in the name of love, Andy. I've just noticed something odd about 3 recent posts posted by Heterodox, it didn't seem to be his style so I googled it and in all 3 cases it was shown as quotes from Deepak's books. So I had a look into Heterodox' post history to see if that was just something he did lately or if there was a pattern. And indeed there is a pattern. He did it since post #1. He did probably the same thing during his other numerous incarnations. So I showed him and everyone else the pattern, he went into denial, you see me as unloving, James reported it, ... Well, lots of peeps going off into lots of different directions, all I can do is showing the pattern that's going on, what you guys do with it is not my business. I never claimed to practice loving behavior. That's your pony you are riding thru every thread lately after your joy and ease and peace pony wasn't doing it anymore. I don't even use the word love except in reply to others who use it. And this also seems to be a pattern, not only with you. My observation is that folks talk mostly about what they don't have. So the sick ones talk a lot about health, the poor ones talk a lot about money. So I'm not surprised that you talk a lot about ease and peace and joy and now love since I feel that somehow missing in your deadly serious and over-intellectual vibe. My observation is that healthy people don't talk all day long about the importance of being healthy because for them health is a given, it doesn't even cross their minds. Same for one in ease and peace and joy. So when I hear someone talking about practicing love all the time I can't help but see someone needy for love and attention behind the love talk. Just be it and then you don't have to talk about it anymore. |
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