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Post by enigma on Jan 12, 2013 14:21:25 GMT -5
It looks like he's trying to form a gang with Tzu to do battle with the 'big boys club' that he imagines. When/if Arisha returns, she'll be invited to the gang too. I couldn't figure out where he's going with the challenging. It seems like if we all agree all the time then we're a club, and if we disagree just sometimes, then it proves we're a club somehow cuz we should be disagreeing at regular intervals or sumthin. Its fair to say that I form allegiances with people, but forming a club here would not happen for me. Part of being in the club is to challenge each other to some slight extent, though I don't recall you and Silence ever questioning each other, or Reefs and Silence ever questioning each other. I also don't recall you challenging Reefs but I saw Reefs challenge you pretty strongly when he returned to the forum....like I said, I felt he wanted to be free from the dynamic and that makes sense given what was happening when he left the forum. You just make all this up as you go along. What concerns me is that I think you believe your stories.
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Post by andrew on Jan 12, 2013 14:23:15 GMT -5
Well, you see it differently to me and that's okay. There may have been a degree of vanity there or something like that, but I think his understandings were very sound, and I think his perception of you at the time was pretty spot on. And lets be clear, its not like me and Tat had an allegiance, we had 'strong words' more than once. I also don't think he 'detonated' as such. He thought I was hurting seekers with my lies and had to be beaten down. He threatened to sue some of the members. He also splattered himself all over the forum and it took days for ZD and Shawn to clean up the mess. Like I said, I think his perception of you at the time was pretty spot on, though I think that your perception of his perception of you is a little different to my perception of his perception of you. I don't think that he thought you had to be 'beaten down' exactly and I doubt he accused you of 'lies' as such. In my opinion, what he really wanted was more open discussion on the forum, which became more difficult after the club was formed. I don't know what you mean by 'splattered all over the forum', but if I recall, he deleted a lot of his own messages. I also recall him saying that his account was being hacked, but I don't know if there was any truth to that or not.
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Post by enigma on Jan 12, 2013 14:23:51 GMT -5
Basically, most peeps see what they want to see, and there are a few here besides you who do that on a consistent basis, which is one of the reasons I talk about imagination and giraffes so much. You denying that a club was formed could be delusion on your part. If a club was formed with you as a central member, I'm pretty sure you would want to see something different. Right, I wouldn't have any interest in a club. I'm interested in looking at what's true.
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Post by andrew on Jan 12, 2013 14:27:29 GMT -5
Its fair to say that I form allegiances with people, but forming a club here would not happen for me. Part of being in the club is to challenge each other to some slight extent, though I don't recall you and Silence ever questioning each other, or Reefs and Silence ever questioning each other. I also don't recall you challenging Reefs but I saw Reefs challenge you pretty strongly when he returned to the forum....like I said, I felt he wanted to be free from the dynamic and that makes sense given what was happening when he left the forum. You just make all this up as you go along. What concerns me is that I think you believe your stories. Concerns you from a medical standpoint again? I could be wrong, or there could be some truth in it. Either way I see you have to deny it and that's fine. I'm not really even trying to convince you because I see that it would be futile. I'm just saying I don't think Tzu is wrong about this.
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Post by andrew on Jan 12, 2013 14:28:14 GMT -5
You denying that a club was formed could be delusion on your part. If a club was formed with you as a central member, I'm pretty sure you would want to see something different. Right, I wouldn't have any interest in a club. I'm interested in looking at what's true. No, I meant you wouldn't want to see that a club had been formed with you as a central member.
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Post by laughter on Jan 12, 2013 14:52:26 GMT -5
my website, which currently gets 2-3000 visits/month. It would be like one Big Boys Club. ;D Good news E. Sincere wishes for continued success!
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Post by james on Jan 12, 2013 15:00:54 GMT -5
OK, so pick a suitable domain name by finding one that isn't already taken using the link below (note: doesn't have to be .com), making sure that it doesn't cost a lot of money! 10-20 USD is an acceptable price. www.godaddy.com/?ci=72737Once you decide on the domain I can buy it and some hosting and install the forum software (I already selected it) and then you can decide how you want it to look, what the rules are, who the moderators will be (if not you) etc etc. It's not complicated to get something basic up and running so you can start directing people there, and then we just refine it as we go along according to your wishes and emergent behavior. Or I could attach a free forum to my website, which currently gets 2-3000 visits/month. It would be like one Big Boys Club. ;D If you are volunteering to do that and Reefs likes the idea then it would certainly be better for me, since it wouldn't cost me any money or time, and like you say it has instant traffic. :-)
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Post by laughter on Jan 12, 2013 15:32:51 GMT -5
others have seen a forum control agenda. > :D < ___> :D <___> :D <___> :D <( .... psssssst! ... there's only a 'club' if we see one .... we can only see one or deny one if we first posit one ...)Enigma, my guess is that whenever anyone says what you say with the insistence and the persistence that you do that the potential for frustration with the meduim in which they are saying it is always going to be there. You might not lay claim to that but, whatever. I can definitely understand what is coming across as weariness with the attacks.
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Post by andrew on Jan 12, 2013 15:49:43 GMT -5
others have seen a forum control agenda. > :D < ___> :D <___> :D <___> :D <( .... psssssst! ... there's only a 'club' if we see one .... we can only see one or deny one if we first posit one ...)I agree that seeing one (or denying one) is not separate from positing one, but Im not sure that if one is seen/posited, that nothing should be said on the basis that seeing and positing are not separate. For example, some people see a group of families that run the planet economically and politically. A 'club'. Maybe they are right, maybe they are not. But I'm not sure the most appropriate course of action is to decide to say nothing about what they see on the basis above. Equally, if there is a club of sorts here, Im also not sure that those that see it should be quiet about it on the basis above.
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Post by laughter on Jan 12, 2013 15:51:57 GMT -5
> :D < ___> :D <___> :D <___> :D <( .... psssssst! ... there's only a 'club' if we see one .... we can only see one or deny one if we first posit one ...) I agree that seeing one (or denying one) is not separate from positing one, but Im not sure that if one is seen/posited, that nothing should be said on the basis that seeing and positing are not separate. For example, some people see a group of families that run the planet economically and politically. A 'club'. Maybe they are right, maybe they are not. But I'm not sure the most appropriate course of action is to decide to say nothing about what they see on the basis above. Equally, if there is a club of sorts here, Im also not sure that those that see it should be quiet about it on the basis above. ( ________________________________________________)
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Post by enigma on Jan 12, 2013 18:11:26 GMT -5
You just make all this up as you go along. What concerns me is that I think you believe your stories. Concerns you from a medical standpoint again? I don't think I was ever concerned from a medical standpoint. Why do I have to deny it?
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Post by enigma on Jan 12, 2013 18:22:27 GMT -5
my website, which currently gets 2-3000 visits/month. It would be like one Big Boys Club. ;D Good news E. Sincere wishes for continued success! Thanks. It's not much, really, but it may be better than no visitor base at all.
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Post by andrew on Jan 12, 2013 18:23:29 GMT -5
Concerns you from a medical standpoint again? I don't think I was ever concerned from a medical standpoint. Why do I have to deny it? No? I thought you were concerned for my health/wellness? You have to deny it (whether I am right or not) because the idea of being in a club doesn't fit with how you prefer to see yourself. It would be refreshing if you said that it is possible that a bit of a club was formed. Like I have said, I don't think it was planned or deliberate as such.
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Post by enigma on Jan 12, 2013 18:27:13 GMT -5
Or I could attach a free forum to my website, which currently gets 2-3000 visits/month. It would be like one Big Boys Club. ;D If you are volunteering to do that and Reefs likes the idea then it would certainly be better for me, since it wouldn't cost me any money or time, and like you say it has instant traffic. :-) LOA wise and otherwise, it would draw from the theme of the site, which is only subversively nondual. ;D So it may not fit Reefs needs. However, there was always an intention of adding a forum to that site at some point.
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Post by enigma on Jan 12, 2013 18:39:34 GMT -5
others have seen a forum control agenda. > :D < ___> :D <___> :D <___> :D <( .... psssssst! ... there's only a 'club' if we see one .... we can only see one or deny one if we first posit one ...)Enigma, my guess is that whenever anyone says what you say with the insistence and the persistence that you do that the potential for frustration with the meduim in which they are saying it is always going to be there. You might not lay claim to that but, whatever. I DO 'lay claim' to that.
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