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Post by tzujanli on Jan 23, 2013 22:00:31 GMT -5
Greetings..
When i use or hear the word 'infinity', i understand it to represent limitlessness in all directions.. similarly, when i use or hear the word 'eternity', i understand it to represent time, the capacity for interval/duration, without beginning or end..
Be well..
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Post by enigma on Jan 23, 2013 22:36:54 GMT -5
Greetings.. When i use or hear the word 'infinity', i understand it to represent limitlessness in all directions.. similarly, when i use or hear the word 'eternity', i understand it to represent time, the capacity for interval/duration, without beginning or end.. Be well.. Just to throw in my two cents, when I hear 'infinity' I think 'prior to the idea of space'. When I hear 'eternity' I think 'prior to the idea of time'. As such, they don't somehow become paradoxical.
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Post by Beingist on Jan 23, 2013 23:19:08 GMT -5
Greetings.. When i use or hear the word 'infinity', i understand it to represent limitlessness in all directions.. similarly, when i use or hear the word 'eternity', i understand it to represent time, the capacity for interval/duration, without beginning or end.. Be well.. Just to throw in my two cents, when I hear 'infinity' I think 'prior to the idea of space'. When I hear 'eternity' I think 'prior to the idea of time'. As such, they don't somehow become paradoxical. When I hear 'eternity', I think, 'NOW'.
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Post by silver on Jan 23, 2013 23:34:24 GMT -5
Just to throw in my two cents, when I hear 'infinity' I think 'prior to the idea of space'. When I hear 'eternity' I think 'prior to the idea of time'. As such, they don't somehow become paradoxical. When I hear 'eternity', I think, 'NOW'. That's a good one....I've always thought 'now and forever' which is sorta basically 'now' - but it just keeps goin'.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 24, 2013 0:43:44 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. When i use or hear the word 'infinity', i understand it to represent limitlessness in all directions.. similarly, when i use or hear the word 'eternity', i understand it to represent time, the capacity for interval/duration, without beginning or end.. Be well.. Just to throw in my two cents, when I hear 'infinity' I think 'prior to the idea of space'. When I hear 'eternity' I think 'prior to the idea of time'. As such, they don't somehow become paradoxical. How do they become paradoxical? Be well..
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 1:39:59 GMT -5
Greetings.. Just to throw in my two cents, when I hear 'infinity' I think 'prior to the idea of space'. When I hear 'eternity' I think 'prior to the idea of time'. As such, they don't somehow become paradoxical. How do they become paradoxical? Be well.. All ideas are actually bifurcations of some kind that I've described as placing boundaries around a portion of infinity. Sort of like taking a chunk out of wholeness by assigning attributes that define something as opposed to everything else. This is how mind understands things Given that, how is mind to understand this idea that it imagines called infinity? The only way would be to assign attributes to define infinity as opposed to everything else, which of course makes it not infinity. This presents mind with an apparent paradox. The difficulty is in the process by which mind understands it's own ideas, and not inherent in the idea itself. The idea points to an imagined actuality that is prior to ideas; prior to the bifurcation required in order to define the idea. The idea, itself, defies the process of binding that would solidly distinguish it in it's own dimensional context. To put it simply, mind can play with ideas so as to confuse itself. Another example would be 'Can God create something too heavy for him to lift?'
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Post by laughter on Jan 24, 2013 11:17:32 GMT -5
Greetings.. When i use or hear the word 'infinity', i understand it to represent limitlessness in all directions.. similarly, when i use or hear the word 'eternity', i understand it to represent time, the capacity for interval/duration, without beginning or end..Be well.. "Limitlessness" is just another word, just another box, another boundary, another limitation ... therein the paradox is restated. The absence of a beginning or an end shares this characteristic. The bottom line tzu', is that yes, if you don't think about it, then the paradox isn't there, but in the case of this particular concept, that is the way of the ostrich. We can't jam the limitless into the limited, not without limiting it, and what projects meaning onto words is limited. "infinity", similar to "God" or "Source" or "Awareness" has no particular magic to it. Just another word. Enigma attempts to explain this from the outside looking in. I can offer a different explanation from the inside looking out. What is meant by ∞ + 1? by 2*∞? ... before you answer that it is meaningless know that mathmeticians do not hold all instances of ∞ to be the same and showing this is actually quite simple.
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Post by silver on Jan 24, 2013 12:57:58 GMT -5
Ooh. Talk about your tower of babble. Is anyone even listening to anyone else? Yikes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 13:20:59 GMT -5
The Afternoon News....
Twenty-one patrons of a Miami bar suffered numerous gunshot wounds to their feet and ankles as two armed dwarfs ram amok in a downtown tavern. Police say the two tiny men entered the bar riding horsey-back, and things got out of hand when the one on the bottom began to get drunk. In addition to the many foot wounds, extensive damage to the baseboards and electrical outlets was also reported....
In science, Botanists in England have developed a plant that may help solve the world's hunger problems. Although it has no food value of its own, when the plant reaches maturity it sneaks across the yard and steals food from the neighbors...
This just in:... In San Francisco, a baby has been born wearing singlasses and holding a small can of peas....
Our Washington correspondent is reporting that the Bureau of Indian Affairs has announced they have located another Mohican. Accordingly, all the books are being recalled and will be changed to read: The Next to the Last of the Mohicans....
And in sports... the international sword swallowing championships were held in Sweden yesterday. The judges say the level of competition was especially fierce this year, and they will announce the winners as soon as they are able to remove them from the platform.
George Carlin
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Post by laughter on Jan 24, 2013 13:27:45 GMT -5
Ooh. Talk about your tower of babble. Is anyone even listening to anyone else? Yikes. It's all you can eat everyday and any day for the mind 'round here!
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Post by silver on Jan 24, 2013 13:30:03 GMT -5
Ooh. Talk about your tower of babble. Is anyone even listening to anyone else? Yikes. It's all you can eat everyday and any day for the mind 'round here! .....Garbage in ~ Garbage out....
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Post by laughter on Jan 24, 2013 13:31:04 GMT -5
hey that guy is an athlete!
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Post by silver on Jan 24, 2013 13:31:49 GMT -5
Thanks het (or 'dox) for staying on topic!
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Post by silver on Jan 24, 2013 13:32:32 GMT -5
hey that guy is an athlete! What guy? You mean that red x? ;D
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 24, 2013 14:54:22 GMT -5
Greetings.. How do they become paradoxical? Be well.. All ideas are actually bifurcations of some kind that I've described as placing boundaries around a portion of infinity. Sort of like taking a chunk out of wholeness by assigning attributes that define something as opposed to everything else. This is how mind understands things Given that, how is mind to understand this idea that it imagines called infinity? The only way would be to assign attributes to define infinity as opposed to everything else, which of course makes it not infinity. This presents mind with an apparent paradox. The difficulty is in the process by which mind understands it's own ideas, and not inherent in the idea itself. The idea points to an imagined actuality that is prior to ideas; prior to the bifurcation required in order to define the idea. The idea, itself, defies the process of binding that would solidly distinguish it in it's own dimensional context. To put it simply, mind can play with ideas so as to confuse itself. Another example would be 'Can God create something too heavy for him to lift?' Words are the nature of communication, the word infinity is not paradoxical.. it points to an experience, and a well-intended discussion will explore ways to help the participants have their own experience of what the word infinity is referencing.. your description of 'infinity' becoming paradoxical seems to be linked to the word/concept, rather than the experience it references.. Be well..
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