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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 18:01:10 GMT -5
Niz: "When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, what remains is all-embracing love." Isn't all-embracing love a self-identification? Isn't the implication that I am that? What about the self-identification that I am all encompassing Peace? Would that be a true or false self-identification? |
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Post by enigma on Apr 21, 2013 20:49:18 GMT -5
Niz: "When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, what remains is all-embracing love." Isn't all-embracing love a self-identification? Isn't the implication that I am that? What about the self-identification that I am all encompassing Peace? Would that be a true or false self-identification? You rebellious evil doer. Don't you know this is a no-discussion zone?  All embracing anything is not a self identification. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 22:09:53 GMT -5
Isn't all-embracing love a self-identification? Isn't the implication that I am that? What about the self-identification that I am all encompassing Peace? Would that be a true or false self-identification? You rebellious evil doer. Don't you know this is a no-discussion zone? All embracing anything is not a self identification. Oh good, because I'm not the all-embracing love type...  |
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Post by enigma on Apr 21, 2013 22:58:30 GMT -5
You rebellious evil doer. Don't you know this is a no-discussion zone? All embracing anything is not a self identification. Oh good, because I'm not the all-embracing love type... Right, 'you' cannot be all embracingly loving. Seems like that was actually the point. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 22, 2013 16:27:46 GMT -5
"Learn to look without imagination, to listen without distortion: that is all. Stop attributing names and shapes to the essentially nameless and formless, realize that every mode of perception is subjective, that what is seen or heard, touched or smelled, felt or thought, expected or imagined, is in the mind and not in reality, and you will experience peace and freedom from fear."
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Post by laughter on Apr 23, 2013 11:46:13 GMT -5
(From Chapter 69 of "I AM THAT", "Transiency is Proof of Unreality")
Q: So far I have been following you. Now, what am I supposed to do?
Niz: There is nothing to do. Just be. Do nothing. Be. No climbing mountains and sitting in caves. I do not even say 'be yourself', since you do not know yourself. Just be. Having seen that you are neither the "outer" world of perceivables, nor the "inner" world of thinkables, that you are neither body nor mind -- just be.
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Post by laughter on Apr 23, 2013 11:51:32 GMT -5
(From Chapter 69 of "I AM THAT", "Transiency is Proof of Unreality")
Q: What is the sadhana for achieving the natural state?
Niz: Hold on to the sense "I am" to the exclusion of everything else. When thus the mind becomes completely silent, it shines with a new light and vibrates with new knowledge. It all comes spontaneously - you need only hold on to the "I am". Just like emerging from sleep or a state of rapture you feel rested and yet you cannot explain why and how you come to feel so well, in the same way on realization you feel complete, fulfilled, free from the pleasure-pain complex, and yet not always able to explain what happened, why and how. You can only put it in negative terms: "Nothing is wrong with me any longer". It is only by comparison with the past that you know that you are out of it. Otherwise, you are just yourself. Don't try to convey it to others. If you can, it is not the real thing. Be silent and watch it expressing itself in action.
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2013 5:20:26 GMT -5
(From Chapter 70 of "I AM THAT", "God Is the End of All Desire and Knowledge")
seeker: The Vedantic concept of maya, illusion, applies to the manifested. Therefore our knowledge of the manifested is unreliable. But we should be able to trust our knowledge of the unmanifested.
Niz: There can be no knowledge of the unmanifested. The potential is unknowable. Only the actual can be known.
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Post by laughter on Apr 27, 2013 7:29:35 GMT -5
(From Chapter 71 of "I AM THAT", "In Self-Awareness You Learn About Yourself")
Niz: Stay with the changeless among the changeful until you are able to go beyond.
seeker: When will it happen?
Niz: It will happen as soon as you remove the obstacles.
seeker: Which obstacles?
Niz: Desire for the false and fear of the true. You, as the person, imagine that the guru is interested in you as a person. Not at all. To him you are a nuisance and a hindrance to be done away with. He actually aims at your elimination as a factor in consciousness.
seeker: If I am eliminated, what will remain?
Niz: Nothing will remain; all will remain. The sense of identity will remain, but no longer identification with a particular body. Beiung/awareness/love will shine in full splendor. Liberation is never of the person, it is always from the person.
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Post by laughter on May 4, 2013 8:54:07 GMT -5
(From Chapter 72 of "I AM THAT", "What is Pure, Unalloyed, Unattached is Unreal")
seeker: Is not God the all-doer?
Niz: Why do you bring in an outer doer? The world recreates itself out of itself. It is an endless process, the transitory begetting the transitory. It is your ego that makes you think that there must be a doer. You create a God in your own image, however dismal the image. Through the film of your mind you project a world and also a God to give it cause and purpose. It is all imagination -- step out of it.
seeker: How difficult it is to see the world as purely mental! The tangible reality of it seems so very convincing.
Niz: This is the mystery of imagination, that it seems to be so real. You may be celibate or married, a monk or a family man; that is not the point. Are you a slave of your imagination or are you not? Whatever decision you take, whatever work you do, it will invariably be based on imagination, on assumptions parading as facts.
seeker: Here I am sitting in front of you. What part of it is imagination?
Niz: The whole of it. Even space and time are imagined.
seeker: Does it mean that I don't exist?
Niz: I too do not exist. All existence is imaginary.
seeker: Is being, too, imaginary?
Niz: Pure being, filling all and beyond all, is not existence which is limited. All limitation is imaginary; only the unlimited is real.
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Post by laughter on May 8, 2013 4:24:27 GMT -5
(From chapter 74 of "I AM THAT", "The Truth is Here and Now")
seeker: Sir, were you to say, 'Nothing is true, all is relative', I would agree with you. But you maintain there is truth, reality, perfect knowledge, and therefore I ask: What is it and how do you know? And what will make me say, 'Yes, Maharaj was right'?
Niz: You are holding on to the need for a proof, a testimony, an authority. You still imagine that truth needs pointing at and someone telling you, 'Look -- here is truth'. It is not so. Truth is not the result of an effort, the end of a road. It is here and now, in the very longing and the searching for it. It is nearer than the mind and the body, nearer than the sense 'I am'. You do not see it because you look too far away from yourself, outside your innermost being. You have objectified truth and insist on your standard proofs and test, which apply only to things and thoughts.
seeker: All I can make out from what you say is that truth is beyond me and I am not qualified to talk about it.
Niz: You are not only qualified, but you are truth itself. Only you mistake the false for the true.
seeker: You seem to say, 'Don't ask for proofs of truth. Concern your self with untruth only.'
Niz: The discovery of truth is in the discernment of the false. You can know what is not. What is -- you can only be. Knowledge is relative to the known. In a way, it is the counterpart of ignorance. Where ignorance is not, where is the need of knowledge? By themselves neither ignorance nor knowledge have being. They are only states of mind, which again is but an appearance of movement in consciousness which is in its essence immutable.
seeker: Is truth within the realm of the mind or beyond?
Niz: It is neither, it is both. It cannot be put into words.
seeker: This is what I hear all the time -- 'inexpressible' (anirvachniya). It does not make me wiser.
Niz: It is true that it often covers sheer ignorance. The mind can operate with terms of its own making; it only cannot go beyond itself. That which is neither sensory nor mental, and yet without which neither sensory nor the mental can exist, cannot be contained in them. Do understand that the mind has its limits; to go beyond, you must consent to silence.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 2:53:36 GMT -5
"You base yourself on the body that you are now, and don’t understand its root.
That is why we think we are this body, and for that you must do meditation. What is meditation? Meditation is not this body-mind meditating as an individual, but it is this knowledge ‘I am’, this consciousness, meditating on itself. Then the consciousness will unfold its own meaning."
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Post by laughter on May 10, 2013 8:52:44 GMT -5
(From Chapter 76 of "I AM THAT", "To Know That You do not Know is True Knowledge")
Q: What am I to be earnest about?
Niz: Assiduously investigate everything that crosses your field of attention. With practice, the field will broaden and investigation will deepen until they become spontaneous and limitless.
Q: Are you not making realization the result of practice? Practice operates within the limitations of physical existence. How can it give birth to the unlimited?
Niz: Of course, there can be no causal connection between practice and wisdom. But the obstacles to wisdom are deeply affected by practice.
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Post by laughter on May 14, 2013 18:21:54 GMT -5
(From Chapter 77 of "I AM THAT", "'I' and 'Mine' are False Ideas")
Q: What will remain with me if I let go of my memories?
Niz: Nothing will remain.
Q: I am afraid.
Niz: You will be afraid until you experience freedom and its blessings. Of course, some memories are needed to identify and guide the body. Such memories do remain, but there is no attachment left to the body as such; it is no longer the ground for desire or fear. All this is not very difficult to understand and practice, but you must be interested,. Without interest, nothing can be done.
Having seen that you are a bundle of memories held together by attachment, step out and look from the outside. You may perceive for the first time something which is not memory. You cease to be a Mr. So and so, busy about his own affairs. You are at last at peace. You realize that nothing was ever wrong with the world -- you alone were wrong and now it is all over. Never again will you be caught in the meshes of desire born of ignorance.
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Post by laughter on May 14, 2013 18:25:21 GMT -5
(From Chapter 78 of "I AM THAT", "All Knowledge is Ignorance")
Q: Is the sense 'I am' real or unreal?
Niz: Both. It is unreal when we say, 'I am this, I am that.' It is real when we mean, 'I am not this, nor that.'
The knower comes and goes with the known and is transient; but that which knows that it does not know, which is free of memory and anticipation, is timeless.
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