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Post by quinn on Nov 16, 2012 21:11:38 GMT -5
I find Byron Katie to be obnoxiously fake but that's only my biased perspective. ;D
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Post by sharon on Nov 17, 2012 7:23:19 GMT -5
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Post by lukewarm on Dec 14, 2012 23:46:55 GMT -5
dont really like Byron Katie... shes more like a businesswoman than a master..
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Post by james on Jan 15, 2013 14:00:30 GMT -5
"In 1986 Byron Katie (or Katie as she is most often called) was 43, living in a half way house, and sleeping on a floor because she didn’t feel worthy of the bed. She was in a half way house for women with eating disorders and had been sent to the attic because the other women in the house were frightened of her and didn’t want to be around her. She had spent 10 years in a downward spiral of rage, paranoia and despair. When she awoke on this one particular morning in February she felt she had no concept of whom or what she was -There was no me” she said. From that day onward, Byron Katie saw the world differently. She saw it without the filter of “I” of ego. And because of that she lost all story about who she was in the world." www.rebeccahass.ca/summer-self-help-reads-2010/review-byron-katie-and-loving-what-is/
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Post by baby on Mar 28, 2014 11:52:27 GMT -5
Post by Guest on Nov 16, 2012 at 8:20pm BYRON KATIE: " Can you know that Hitler didn't bring more people to realisation than Jesus? "
I that ultimately, if a person was awake, and totally sane mindedly spiritual, they just wouldn't bother with saying things like this to the public. They would just consider it to be superfluous. That would be for a number of reasons: 1) people have enough suffering as it is 2) people don't need to understand these things (the universe has a purpose, just from its own side) 3) people aren't really interested in that. I mean, people want to get enlightened and empathic. But that particular being was just one of many. A simple example could be used, in normal words such as "how do you know that a destructive being doesn't cause more spiritual development than a spiritual teacher?"
4) that question in any case is superfluous. Its obvious that a spiritual teacher has more value. A person who is destructive, unkind and malevolent has value as a human being. And at some level of the universe may be equal, but that shouldn't be taken to be the highest teaching in spirituality. The emphasis that they have done something destructive should be taken to be a sanifying, and helpful truthful guidance to people.
5) empathising with people who are highly destructive, like A. Hitler was, should be done more balancedly than just pointing out that he might have caused people to draw on their inner spiritual resources. Ie. he had an existence, himself, outside of the spiritual effect he had on beings, throught hurting and co-ercing them.
6) this is irrelevent for a spiritual teacher. A spiritual teacher can focus on nice things, to enlighten people, slowly integrating these kinds of Emotional Things.
- ie. the pain which Byron Katie is helping people to integrate could be integrated Slower.
This finally proves that:
- Byron Katie's method, but especially the associated writtings which are mostly her talking about how highly she appraises herself........it is:
1) a method which integrates pain too fast 2) a method where no apology is given by the Soul Gymnastics Instructor 3) the method-teacher evades any kind of questioning, media interest or publication-interest in her explaining that she's a normal human being, who lives normally or tries to live normally given her status in the world...
4) a method which could have been written in a Longer-Form, so that people could Elucidate the Emotional or Philosophical meaning behind the Small Quotations which were used.
So.....I don't take her to be a mentor, personally.
She's a kind of psychological Gym Instructor.
And she uses as much pain as possible.
Perhaps "Russian Gymnastics" could come out of such heavy handedness.
I have no doubt that lots of empathy has come out of her method. I use her method. And it works.
But I have no support for Byron Katie. I believe she is an evil being. No normal person would say such things about A. Hitler, or babies being killed.
That is just an unequivacal fact, to my mind.
There isn't a single place, forum, home, etc. in the whole world, where those words would be taken to be normal. Not even amongst psychopaths!
So she cannot be a good person. Not deeply.
She like many other successful people of the day, has some kind of genius, or magical gift she has been born with, which obviously doesn't come completely from God.
Her mannerisms look unpleasant. She sits unpleasantly. Her speaking voice doesn't sound nice for the soul. Her words often seem to come out of a negative place.
She just learned Philosophy or the Power of Philosophy in a past life.
.....philosophy without religion.......that cannot be Healthy, or Loving.
That is my Humble Opinion.
Please don't attack me for writing my views. I feel that would be very oppressive, thoughtless and inconsiderate of you, if you took away my right to say just one or two words on how irritating I find Byron Katie.
I've been practising her method for numerous years and I feel entitled to say my 2 cents on what the problems are with the method. Just like a bicycle which is produced with a frame that is too heavy, making it possible for a person to be swept under a passing lorry on a freeway......BK's Word deserves to be criticised.
That is my view.
BABY
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Post by grumpyfreyr on Oct 29, 2020 15:56:33 GMT -5
There's a book by BK called 'Losing the Moon' that I've seen described as 'her hidden work'. I think it demonstrates that it 'went all the way' as it were, although it's been a year of so since I read it. Here's a quote from the beginning of the book. You can't buy this book new, and second hand copies I've seen cost from sixty dollars to three hundred and something. Thankfully you can read it on the internet (just search in Google).
Thank you so much for this. I've often neglected my study of Katie because she's almost always talking to people who are at a very different stage than me, but Losing the Moon sounds right up my alley. Managed to get a new copy for a mere £313.93 (~$400) (the only other new copy was ~$2000)
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