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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 13:27:54 GMT -5
Marie and I had a great squirrel satsang today. We were talking about the core issue of suffering as being the idea that something should not be as it is. In her case, there are some things about herself that she cannot accept as they are and she wasn't willing to let go of that attitude. I said "What is it that you want to change in me?" She said "Nothing". I said "Why is that? God knows I'm not perfect, so what is it that takes priority over you wanting to change me?" She paused for a moment and said "Love". I said "Yeeeeess", and she started to cry. A little while later there were several spontaneous contractions of the abdomen. Until now, this energetic contraction had only happened when she surrendered to me, but now it was about her relationship with herself. She said "I didn't know until now that I haven't been loving myself." I said "You know from your relationship with me that Love heals all wounds, solves all problems. All of life is a relationship; with yourself, with me, and with everyone and everything in your life. Regardless of the question, the answer is always the same. Love is the answer. Get out of the way and let life take care of itself. Great healing story... It's miraculous what happens when we become aware (Love) of what 'IS'. Without the 'thinking' that anything needs to be changed, or judging what 'IS' as being either good or bad. And if we can live from that awareness (Love) and aren't bothered so much about the conscious minds biznet of making what 'IS into something wrong. The human and the being join in perfect balance and there is the experience of Peace. |
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Post by topology on Aug 7, 2012 14:56:00 GMT -5
"daddy, daddy, Teigan hit me." "daddy, daddy, Aedin hit me." What Daddy wants to say: "Well hit him back and establish your boundaries." Of course that would put me in the doghouse with mom.  . Not to mention the future complaints from day care and school teachers about "improper behavior". 4 and 3 yos., no concept of boundaries yet. The hitting I'd advise would be along the lines of spanking "stop participating in that behavior". Daddy gets frustrated trying to talk things out rationally with 3 and 4 year olds. Out comes the Wrath of God to try and instill some fear and obedience. But that wrath is mostly toothless, and they are learning that. The youngest one is starting to realize that spankings are just temporary sensations. So I throw my hands up and tag mom in before mt. Vesuvious erupts and buries my two pompeians in hot lava. Nope, I don't have being a Dad mastered at all. Hehe. Neil Walsch (Conversations with God) put forward the idea that raising kids must be a community effort, and no parents can actually fulfill that responsibility alone. Makes a lot of sense to me but probly not in this society. I would love to live in a communal environment. I was raised in one, albeit it was very dysfunctional. My mom was from Lebanon and she eventually brought her whole family over to live in So-Cal. While my parents worked, all the cousins were watched by Tata (Grandma) and a few Aunts. That template of Tribe is there in me. But its not the tribe you're born into so much as the tribe you create for yourself. I've got bits and pieces, good friends that I don't see as often as I would like. My wife is not as communal as I am, so I pull towards community and she pulls in a different direction. Ah well. Peeps don't realize that community living takes a LOT of burden off of individuals. There's more free time and more people to spend that free time with. However, there also needs to be lots of communication and the willingness to look at what is going on with others and ourselves. |
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Post by sharon on Aug 7, 2012 16:10:04 GMT -5
Does that include their belief that are not loved? What do you mean? Sometimes I find there is a reinforcement in some people that they are not loved. They want to be loved, this is true. Though their ideas of how it 'should' behave taints it and almost keeps it at the surface, which can become a battlefield I can see that Love with a capital L can swallow all this, and see that it's ok. |
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Post by sharon on Aug 7, 2012 16:11:11 GMT -5
Love stops us from wanting to change other people? Wanting to help and needing to fix are very different animals. Only one of them says 'this should not be'. Life has forced me to give up trying to help the people that I thought I was supposed to. It now asks me to help those I can. This I can do with an ease of willingness that doesn't take any will. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 17:34:14 GMT -5
Wanting to help and needing to fix are very different animals. Only one of them says 'this should not be'. Life has forced me to give up trying to help the people that I thought I was supposed to. It now asks me to help those I can. This I can do with an ease of willingness that doesn't take any will. Life doesn't force anybody to do anything, and it doesn't ask you to do anything. Life is using your consciousness to flow through, and experience itself. The block to that flow is when your consciousness entertained a silly little thought that it was real, and separate from that flow. It thought that it was the experiencer of Life. And that is where the trouble starts, but also where it ends. Ramana Maharshi used to ask, "Who Am I"? See if you can find this 'Who' that wants to help people? I'll save you a couple of years of searching for the answer to that question Sharon. You won't find a "Who Am I". |
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Post by topology on Aug 7, 2012 17:47:46 GMT -5
Life has forced me to give up trying to help the people that I thought I was supposed to. It now asks me to help those I can. This I can do with an ease of willingness that doesn't take any will. Life doesn't force anybody to do anything, and it doesn't ask you to do anything. Life is using your consciousness to flow through, and experience itself. The block to that flow is when your consciousness entertained a silly little thought that it was real, and separate from that flow. It thought that it was the experiencer of Life. And that is where the trouble starts, but also where it ends. Ramana Maharshi used to ask, "Who Am I"? See if you can find this 'Who' that wants to help people? I'll save you a couple of years of searching for the answer to that question Sharon. You won't find a "Who Am I". Sharon, since this post was addressed directly to you, did you find the post helpful? |
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Post by sharon on Aug 7, 2012 18:03:12 GMT -5
Life doesn't force anybody to do anything, and it doesn't ask you to do anything. Life is using your consciousness to flow through, and experience itself. The block to that flow is when your consciousness entertained a silly little thought that it was real, and separate from that flow. It thought that it was the experiencer of Life. And that is where the trouble starts, but also where it ends. Ramana Maharshi used to ask, "Who Am I"? See if you can find this 'Who' that wants to help people? I'll save you a couple of years of searching for the answer to that question Sharon. You won't find a "Who Am I". Sharon, since this post was addressed directly to you, did you find the post helpful? ~*~  The teacher that I can't find is mine. ~*~ Was it helpful? Don't know really. I've sat and asked 'What is Real?' over and over ... and the waves just kept coming from my stomach. When therealfake tells me that he can save me a couple of years of searching, for the answer to a question that someone else asked, it just looks like someone's havin' a laugh. Many of your descriptions and explorations have made a lot of sense though ~ thank you |
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Post by esponja on Aug 7, 2012 18:07:14 GMT -5
Maybe there's a misunderstanding how the word 'love' is used here. Enigma uses the word love in the sense of accepting, of not having to change it, being okay with it's existence. So looking at ugly stuff and loving it isn't a problem then. It's variety. That's all. You seem to use it in the sense of liking it, preferring it. So looking at ugly stuff and loving it is indeed a problem. No one can do that. No I pretty much understand it as that too. I'm counterposing the Loving-What-Is with Arguing-With-What-Is and I'm saying that sometimes it's hard to discern the difference between the two of them. The thing is, all there is is what is. So the best approach is to just 'enjoy the ride,' which is just another way of saying 'accept' or love what is. 'What is' is a set that includes the argument. Yes. What if part of 'what is' is a feeling/thought of wanting to change appearances? Instead of acceptance and love of the current body image, an acceptance of the surgery to change it and a realisation that you are not the body and it's going to die sooner or later. Can that also be seen as a kind of love? Agree with you on the low blood-sugar and lack of sleep by the way, it syncs nicely with a conversation I was having last night. |
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Post by topology on Aug 7, 2012 18:15:09 GMT -5
Sharon, since this post was addressed directly to you, did you find the post helpful? ~*~ The teacher that I can't find is mine. ~*~ Was it helpful? Don't know really. I've sat and asked 'What is Real?' over and over ... and the waves just kept coming from my stomach. When therealfake tells me that he can save me a couple of years of searching, for the answer to a question that someone else asked, it just looks like someone's havin' a laugh. Many of your descriptions and explorations have made a lot of sense though ~ thank you *Tip of the hat* You're welcome, my lady. --- TRF, if your intent is to help people then you'll need to meet them where they are at and speak to their specific situation. If your intent is to alienate people by telling them what your version of the truth is, carry on. |
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Post by topology on Aug 7, 2012 18:39:31 GMT -5
No I pretty much understand it as that too. I'm counterposing the Loving-What-Is with Arguing-With-What-Is and I'm saying that sometimes it's hard to discern the difference between the two of them. The thing is, all there is is what is. So the best approach is to just 'enjoy the ride,' which is just another way of saying 'accept' or love what is. 'What is' is a set that includes the argument. Yes. What if part of 'what is' is a feeling/thought of wanting to change appearances? Instead of acceptance and love of the current body image, an acceptance of the surgery to change it and a realisation that you are not the body and it's going to die sooner or later. Can that also be seen as a kind of love? Agree with you on the low blood-sugar and lack of sleep by the way, it syncs nicely with a conversation I was having last night. I don't think there is a "right way" to address the problem of having a mis-alignment between the body and the self-image. Some people feel like men trapped in women's bodies, or vice-versa. Changing the self-image to that degree is not always possible and it could be easier simply to change the body to match the image. When it is possible to change the self-image, usually it is supplanted with a more enjoyable self-image. Instead of trying to punish the body until it fits the image, you can love the body and experience its happiness in return. Self-acceptance is simply accepting that there's no right way to be. Its okay to be how you are now, its okay to change how you are, and its okay to want to change it. |
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Post by emptymirror on Aug 7, 2012 18:54:15 GMT -5
Marie and I had a great squirrel satsang today. We were talking about the core issue of suffering as being the idea that something should not be as it is. In her case, there are some things about herself that she cannot accept as they are and she wasn't willing to let go of that attitude. I said "What is it that you want to change in me?" She said "Nothing". I said "Why is that? God knows I'm not perfect, so what is it that takes priority over you wanting to change me?" She paused for a moment and said "Love". I said "Yeeeeess", and she started to cry. A little while later there were several spontaneous contractions of the abdomen. Until now, this energetic contraction had only happened when she surrendered to me, but now it was about her relationship with herself. She said "I didn't know until now that I haven't been loving myself." I said "You know from your relationship with me that Love heals all wounds, solves all problems. All of life is a relationship; with yourself, with me, and with everyone and everything in your life. Regardless of the question, the answer is always the same. Love is the answer. Get out of the way and let life take care of itself. Nice |
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Post by emptymirror on Aug 7, 2012 19:00:20 GMT -5
Daddy gets frustrated trying to talk things out rationally with 3 and 4 year olds. Out comes the Wrath of God to try and instill some fear and obedience. But that wrath is mostly toothless, and they are learning that. The youngest one is starting to realize that spankings are just temporary sensations. Doesn't spanking display a lack of 'boundaries'?  Surely spanking says that smacking is a valid solution. |
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Post by esponja on Aug 7, 2012 19:13:23 GMT -5
Yes. What if part of 'what is' is a feeling/thought of wanting to change appearances? Instead of acceptance and love of the current body image, an acceptance of the surgery to change it and a realisation that you are not the body and it's going to die sooner or later. Can that also be seen as a kind of love? Agree with you on the low blood-sugar and lack of sleep by the way, it syncs nicely with a conversation I was having last night. I don't think there is a "right way" to address the problem of having a mis-alignment between the body and the self-image. Some people feel like men trapped in women's bodies, or vice-versa. Changing the self-image to that degree is not always possible and it could be easier simply to change the body to match the image. When it is possible to change the self-image, usually it is supplanted with a more enjoyable self-image. Instead of trying to punish the body until it fits the image, you can love the body and experience its happiness in return. Self-acceptance is simply accepting that there's no right way to be. Its okay to be how you are now, its okay to change how you are, and its okay to want to change it. Yes I think the more I look at my expectations/acceptance I see it is not just regarding others but myself. Stop expecting myself to be other than I am, it's getting to the bottom of this split-mind stuff E talks about. |
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Post by zendancer on Aug 7, 2012 19:20:15 GMT -5
Life has forced me to give up trying to help the people that I thought I was supposed to. It now asks me to help those I can. This I can do with an ease of willingness that doesn't take any will. Life doesn't force anybody to do anything, and it doesn't ask you to do anything. Life is using your consciousness to flow through, and experience itself. The block to that flow is when your consciousness entertained a silly little thought that it was real, and separate from that flow. It thought that it was the experiencer of Life. And that is where the trouble starts, but also where it ends. Ramana Maharshi used to ask, "Who Am I"? See if you can find this 'Who' that wants to help people? I'll save you a couple of years of searching for the answer to that question Sharon. You won't find a "Who Am I". TRF: This struck me as an exceedingly strange post. Are you saying that you don't think Ramana knew who he really was? Do you think his advice to do self inquiry was bad advice? Do you think that pursuing his question is a useless endeavor? Are you saying that you pursued this question and were either (1) unable to resolve it, or (2) concluded that it can't be resolved? If so, why would that have anything to do with Sharon? I would say that anyone who seriously pursues the "who am I?" inquiry will eventually have a realization that will clearly reveal who the questioner is, and who/what it is that wants to help people. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 19:41:51 GMT -5
~*~ The teacher that I can't find is mine. ~*~ Was it helpful? Don't know really. I've sat and asked 'What is Real?' over and over ... and the waves just kept coming from my stomach. When therealfake tells me that he can save me a couple of years of searching, for the answer to a question that someone else asked, it just looks like someone's havin' a laugh. Many of your descriptions and explorations have made a lot of sense though ~ thank you *Tip of the hat* You're welcome, my lady. --- TRF, if your intent is to help people then you'll need to meet them where they are at and speak to their specific situation. If your intent is to alienate people by telling them what your version of the truth is, carry on. Well since this post was directed at me I have to wonder if your post was helpful. Top, if your intent is to help me then you'll need to meet me where I am at and speak to my specific situation. If your intent is to alienate me by questioning my version of the truth then carry on. So no, your post is not very helpful. PS: Maybe you should be keeping your Safari group private and not public... |
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. Not to mention the future complaints from day care and school teachers about "improper behavior".
The teacher that I can't find is mine.
