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[mike]

Maybe someone else has already brought this up. . .

What you say about the teacher Adyashanti, for example, is rather absurd and shows the absurdity of how some seekers go about their spiritual business.

When you get focused on realizing the truth you won't be complaining that someone like Adya is bringing forth a mix that includes spiritual cliches...those cliches won't be cliches to you.

You'll be living them and you'll know from what a deep place they were spoken. You won't be looking for the right words to take you where you think you're going. You won't be complaining that a teacher like Jon Bernie offers an unimpressive teaching to just relax into enlightenment and whammo. You are right: people with the kind of mind you are displaying can't use such advice and aren't ready to hear that, because they actually need to get a whole lot more sophisticated mind-noise drained out of them before "just relax" becomes a potent message to them.

When that happens, you won't be finding any need to "worry" about Adya's growing organization. You'll realze that it is just a relative phenomenon and unless there is some real sign for you that the teacher is using the organization for wrong purposes, you will just allow his teachings to burn into you and do what they're supposed to do.

Your website may have good intentions but its quibbling little points aren't saving anyone time on the spiritual search. Seekers just ripen into single-pointedness and understanding on their own. I guess that's why even my writing this may be a waste of time.
The mind is a petty thing indeed.
Good luck.

[robertw7]

Ah yes, Quibbling...as you are now Mike. Its good that you have some sense of it. Good luck to you in your search for the way out of confusion. Its a bug that bites hard...its nailed Shawn...and you. Namaskar

[what else would you expect]

Well really, what would you do if you were in Shawns place?

I too would weight and rank those I know and love, or at least like, way higher than those I know only through a few short snapshots of their work.

I think these TAT guys are pretty good really, having only read articles from the TAT site and looked at a video. They are sincere and do not chage, as far as I know. They seem to have "it".

I have seen more of Adyashanti because he is more accessable. In my opinion, from a point of view not associated with any group, Adyashanti is far, far the better teacher, more complete, compassionate, and in depth than most of the TAT group. One thing I have noticed is that the TAT associated people seem to convey that there is one event of awakening or happening, and that is that. I will leave it to you to ask the questions that may follow.

But this is Shawns list and that is that

One more thing. Adyashanti seems to be able to give teaching or "pointing" on the level that the student, or "asker" is asking from. This becomes very useful and personal. I have seen nothing like this from the other group, but possibly this is done in private meetings.

I have found it helpful to read work from all of these people, so I am glad to have it available.

I try and overlook the 3 or 4 star ratings.
But I would have Adyashanti at 5 without a doubt.

just one persons opinion.