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Post by enigma on May 20, 2012 19:58:20 GMT -5
The experience I related began with what is clearly a description of existential terror. Only later did this dissolve. You keep pointing at the terror part and suggesting if I had come to full realization at that point I should have been skipping for joy. I've explained that at that point there was still a 'me' in abject terror. This is the last time I'm going to say it. Awww......come on.....Pleeeaase....one more time, but this time with emphasis on the 'terror' bit. ;D Really....you should know better by now E.  I'll try.  BTW...(and seriously)....I like your website!..was always surprised you didn't have one and I think it's wonderful that you're selling a book of your awesome poetry. As I recall, you have quite a talent.  Must say, Seems you've gone a little more 'mainstream' in terms of your website content.......dare I even say..... danglin' a carrot or two?  Overall, Good stuff though! [/quote] Thanks. Yeah, dangling the 'happiness' carrot and hoping to suck hungry victims in for the kill. We'll see how that goes. |
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Post by andrew on May 21, 2012 2:05:30 GMT -5
Right, and of course the only one who has ever mentioned centering a 'you' in a new prior way is 'you'. So have you dealt with that or are you still working on it? You have been talking about being the eye of a storm, which is centring yourself. |
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Post by andrew on May 21, 2012 2:19:57 GMT -5
That's right. Who ever said otherwise? It occurs to me that maybe you think the point of the story was to show that terror and Peace co-exist. That wasn't the point and no, I would not say Peace was there along with terror, though there was a vacillation between the two. That makes sense that there would have been a vacillation initially between what you are calling 'Peace' and terror. Terror is not a nice thing I know, and this 'Peace' that you speak of is a wonderful way to insulate ourselves from the potential of terror. Unfortunately in insulating ourselves we also miss out on the potential for lightness, ease, joy, grace, and flow. Bashar.... ''If you're feeling fear, you've felt one of the most negative emotions there is to feel. Everything else should be a piece of cake. Feel good, feel happy, feel healthy, feel loved, feel abundant, feel creative, feel compassionate, feel knowledgeable, feel powerful.'' |
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Post by question on May 21, 2012 4:23:04 GMT -5
 Just thought I'd post a picture of my toilet. I hope you like it.  Wtf man, that's disgusting! |
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Post by Beingist on May 21, 2012 7:24:41 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on May 21, 2012 10:06:51 GMT -5
Right, and of course the only one who has ever mentioned centering a 'you' in a new prior way is 'you'. So have you dealt with that or are you still working on it? You have been talking about being the eye of a storm, which is centring yourself. No, Andrew, it's a metaphor. |
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Post by andrew on May 21, 2012 10:10:34 GMT -5
You have been talking about being the eye of a storm, which is centring yourself. No, Andrew, it's a metaphor. Yep, I know that. |
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Post by jasonl on May 21, 2012 14:30:27 GMT -5
see what happens when you talk about personal experience? hehe
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Post by enigma on May 21, 2012 18:07:48 GMT -5
see what happens when you talk about personal experience? hehe Yes, and the negativity is expected from all the single ended joy-stick seekers, and it's okay, but I thought maybe it was a way to make a point about this 'absence'. I was mistaken about that. Hehe. |
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Post by runstill on May 22, 2012 1:25:14 GMT -5
no mistake from this perspective your courage to post is impressive. The negative comments were anticipated and not even looked at.
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Post by andrew on May 22, 2012 3:10:01 GMT -5
see what happens when you talk about personal experience? hehe Yes, and the negativity is expected from all the single ended joy-stick seekers, and it's okay, but I thought maybe it was a way to make a point about this 'absence'. I was mistaken about that. Hehe. I don't think I have been negative on this thread aside to tell you that you are wrong about some stuff. There really are plenty of people experiencing consistent joy, ease, lightness, grace, ease and peace these days...based on what you have said, it sounds like you are not, and it has been explained to you why. |
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Post by figgy on May 22, 2012 10:12:33 GMT -5
see what happens when you talk about personal experience? hehe Yes, and the negativity is expected from all the single ended joy-stick seekers, and it's okay, but I thought maybe it was a way to make a point about this 'absence'. I was mistaken about that. Hehe. How is it 'negativity' to try to explain to someone that joy is not inextricably linked to suffering....that to experience a high level of joy does not necessarily mean that an hour later, or a day later, or even a week later, one MUST then experience a depth of emotional angst? From what I can garner, the point of your story was that even in the face of terror, there can be an identification with the core of peace within, and this will result in a certain sense of insulation from any actual suffering, and I do not disagree with this, however, this holding oneself apart from the experience at hand by choosing to place our focus of attention upon the one who does not suffer is only necessary when thoughts are still being believed to be true. When thoughts are no longer believed (when the whole thing has been seen through) terror no longer arises. Therefore, I'd say that what Andrew and I are offering here is anything but 'negative.' We're trying to relay that beyond what you've described, an actual abiding experience of grace can be accessed....when you've 'really' seen through 'the whole scam', there will no longer be any resistance and thus no need to hold yourself apart from such things as terror by identifying with the core of peace within, because the terror will no longer arise. To once again quote Tolle: "To offer no resistance to life is to be in a state of grace, ease, and lightness...." Do you perceive that quote to be 'negative'?  Because its message is the crux of what Andrew and I are attempting to explain. |
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Post by enigma on May 22, 2012 10:54:32 GMT -5
no mistake from this perspective your courage to post is impressive. The negative comments were anticipated and not even looked at. Thanks. |
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Post by enigma on May 22, 2012 11:04:48 GMT -5
Yes, and the negativity is expected from all the single ended joy-stick seekers, and it's okay, but I thought maybe it was a way to make a point about this 'absence'. I was mistaken about that. Hehe. I don't think I have been negative on this thread aside to tell you that you are wrong about some stuff. There really are plenty of people experiencing consistent joy, ease, lightness, grace, ease and peace these days...based on what you have said, it sounds like you are not, and it has been explained to you why. I've said nothing at all about what I'm currently experiencing. To do so would be to encourage your focus and degenerate the conversations even further into a battle of the bliss bunnies. I related a specific experience for a particular purpose. |
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Post by andrew on May 22, 2012 11:15:18 GMT -5
I don't think I have been negative on this thread aside to tell you that you are wrong about some stuff. There really are plenty of people experiencing consistent joy, ease, lightness, grace, ease and peace these days...based on what you have said, it sounds like you are not, and it has been explained to you why. I've said nothing at all about what I'm currently experiencing. To do so would be to encourage your focus and degenerate the conversations even further into a battle of the bliss bunnies. I related a specific experience for a particular purpose. Well, actually you have talked about your experience. One such thing you have said is.... ''If there is indeed a calm center at the eye of the storm (there is) it's not a mind center, so it is not a mind split.'' This is mind splitting and a re-location of 'you'. A insulation strategy. There is nothing WRONG with it as such, however, this strategy does limit our potential for lightness, ease, peace, grace, joy and happiness. The most this position really offers is...'calm'. There is also a level of trickiness involved with what you are doing, in the sense that you point others away from ego and separation, and yet there is ego and separation in this position. |
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Because its message is the crux of what Andrew and I are attempting to explain.