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Post by runstill on May 28, 2012 19:51:13 GMT -5
Doesn't sound positive to me. It sounds like the Mooji/Tolle material got you into this pickle, yet the people you respond to on this thread most of all are basically coming from a Mooji/Tolle place of advice and guidance. Im not saying there is anything wrong with the advice/guidance necessarily, but I find that interesting, and I struggle to see how the same kind of thinking that got you into this hole is also going to get you out of this hole. My guess is, that as unpleasant as this experience is for you, you have identified with it and attached to it. I think you have been given some good practical advice by different people, but I really think a helpful step would be to get very clear about what you want, rather that what you don't want. Get clear about the kind of person you want to be, the kind of experience you would like to have. What you want from life basically. Even the act of sitting down and getting clear about this will help bring you more into the present moment, more into the here and now. It will help you re-personalize. If that's what you want. Oh yea you really want to listen to this bliss bunny he watches Bashtard the alien from sirius on you tube for his spiritual advice.  |
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Post by zendancer on May 28, 2012 22:42:05 GMT -5
Well, since we're on the subject of water, here's a good story. A woman I know went to her doctor because she was coughing up tiny specks of blood. The doctor put her on an antibiotic, which seemed to solve the problem. A week after she ended the antibiotic regimen, however, she started coughing up tiny specks of blood again. She went back to her doc, and he sent her to the hospital to get a lung scan. As soon as the scan was done, she was quickly admitted to the hospital because the lung scan showed that she had blood clots in her lungs. A specialist came and put her on coumadin, a blood thinner, in an effort to dissolve the clots. After two days, she was sent home and told to keep taking the coumadin and to get her blood checked regularly. After a few days, she started coughing up blood again, and went back to her doc who rushed her back to the hospital. By the time she got to the hospital she was coughing up significant blood--much more than specks. They did another lung scan and told her that she had more clots than before and gave her more coumadin. Two hours later, she was coughing up so much blood that her bed and the floor around her was covered in red and the nurses were going crazy trying to clean up the mess. A hospital physician came and stood by helplessly watching until an orderly rushed in with the results of her latest blood test. The test showed that the coumadin had thinned her blood so much that she was hemmorhaging internally. The staff quickly gave her vitamin K to thicken her blood and reverse the effects of the coumadin. Shortly thereafter she stopped hemorrhaging. About this time another physician, a family friend and cardiologist, happened to pass nearby, saw the commotion, came to the woman's room, and saw her through the doorway. He said, "Debby, what's going on here?" The woman said, "I have no idea. Everyone says I have blood clots in my lungs." The cardiologist looked doubtful and asked, "How do you feel?" She replied, "Fine." He said, "People with blood clots in their lungs do not normally feel fine." He then asked her what had led to her being in the hospital, and she recounted her entire story. He said, "Well, anything is possible, but prior to your original complaint you had run a 5K race, had been exercising regularly, and had felt fine, so it seems highly unlikely that you have ever had blood clots. I suspect that the lung scans were false positives." He suggested that they do an arteriogram and see precisely what the situation was. They did so, and discovered that she did not have any blood clots at all. At that point the woman got so angry that she left the hospital against the wishes of the hospital staff and went home. This is where the story gets funny. A week later the woman went to get her hair done. While she was sitting in the beauty shop, she overheard two women talking. One of the women said, "Well, I've had to quit drinking diet cokes and start drinking more water because my doctor told me that the diet cokes were dehydrating me and causing me to cough up specks of blood." The woman realized that she, too, had been drinking several diet cokes every day and very little water. She quit the cokes, started drinking more water, and never again coughed up any flecks of blood. True story. I forgot to mention that subsequently the woman talked to some other people who had experienced the same symptoms caused by different situations and events, but all were related to dehydration. One guy had the same symptoms in the winter because his gas heat caused the humidity in his home to drop extremely low. He didn't drink much water, and he would wake up in the morning with a dry mouth and the same blood specked coughing. His dry mouth, coughing, and blood specks disappeared after he installed a humidifier and started drinking more water. Pretty amazing that a simple thing like water could make such a difference. |
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Post by sharon on May 29, 2012 0:58:29 GMT -5
 a simple thing like water  |
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Post by andrew on May 29, 2012 2:44:46 GMT -5
Doesn't sound positive to me. It sounds like the Mooji/Tolle material got you into this pickle, yet the people you respond to on this thread most of all are basically coming from a Mooji/Tolle place of advice and guidance. Im not saying there is anything wrong with the advice/guidance necessarily, but I find that interesting, and I struggle to see how the same kind of thinking that got you into this hole is also going to get you out of this hole. My guess is, that as unpleasant as this experience is for you, you have identified with it and attached to it. I think you have been given some good practical advice by different people, but I really think a helpful step would be to get very clear about what you want, rather that what you don't want. Get clear about the kind of person you want to be, the kind of experience you would like to have. What you want from life basically. Even the act of sitting down and getting clear about this will help bring you more into the present moment, more into the here and now. It will help you re-personalize. If that's what you want. Oh yea you really want to listen to this bliss bunny he watches Bashtard the alien from sirius on you tube for his spiritual advice. Yes, but I also have qualifications that relate directly to human behavioural issues, so I'm not all about new age stuff. In my opinion, those that have been suggesting to Midnight to do something practical to help himself and to seek some kind of professional assistance are giving good advice. |
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Post by midnight on Jun 1, 2012 11:44:16 GMT -5
Yeah, thanks Andrew. I'm going to see a psychiatrist in 6 days, have a chat with him about some stuff. I feel like I've been traumatized. I read this earlier and the bit about keeping restless energy capped underneath made sense:- www.myshrink.com/counseling-theory.php?t_id=13I just feel brain dead, like a walking zombie. Life seems so hard when I know that it's not. Surrender can kiss my ass, as you Americans would say, ha. |
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Post by zendancer on Jun 1, 2012 11:55:16 GMT -5
Midnight: Did you read Suzanne Segal's book? If so, did you relate to her story at all?
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Post by midnight on Jun 1, 2012 12:13:27 GMT -5
Unfortunately the fuckers at amazon didn't send it to my university address on time so I couldn't collect it. waste of a tenner. I'm trying to find the pdf online somewhere.
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Post by andrew on Jun 1, 2012 12:17:21 GMT -5
Yeah, thanks Andrew. I'm going to see a psychiatrist in 6 days, have a chat with him about some stuff. I feel like I've been traumatized. I read this earlier and the bit about keeping restless energy capped underneath made sense:- www.myshrink.com/counseling-theory.php?t_id=13I just feel brain dead, like a walking zombie. Life seems so hard when I know that it's not. Surrender can I disagree, as you Americans would say, ha. Good plan. I read that article I can see why it spoke to you. About 12 years ago I was seeing a counsellor, one that I liked. Anyway, I moved about 4 hours away so I tried to find another one...I tried 2 or 3 out but they just didn't resonate with me...I needed someone very grounded and connected and who understood what I was talking about, and they just didnt seem to, and I just got frustrated. So in the end I drove the 4 hours each week to go and see the other guy, it seemed like the best thing to do at the time rather than search around. So if someone doesn't understand what you are trying to communicate, or you get a bad feeling about someone, keep looking. Cognitive therapy is good, and NLP can be good. My own personal opinion (though I might be wrong) is that there isn't anything seriously or physically wrong with you though I do understand that this has been a helluva bad time for you. You may find that in just a very short period of time that you are fully up and running again. |
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Post by btu on Jun 1, 2012 13:27:59 GMT -5
hi patrick....
read bernadette roberts...she writes in great detail about the horror of the stage that you are in....she went through it twice on her journey.....it will be useful to you.....
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Post by midnight on Jun 13, 2012 7:42:33 GMT -5
Bump. I wasn't going to bump this thread but I think it's necessary. A few days ago I saw a psychiatrist who explained that he thought I was certainly depersonalized and that it mostly co-exists with anxiety & depression. Though I don't feel classically anxious or depressed in some ways, I feel traumatized in others.. anyway I found this website:- www.iraresoul.com/mimicry.htmlIt details the conclusions that people draw from a dissociative state, which I'm definately guilty of in the past, i.e. thinking that because I can't feel my emotions this means I've gone 'beyond them' or some shit. The basic premise is that dissociation is a defense mechanism from trauma and that trauma needs to be recognised and resolved.. yet I don't know how this can be done. I know that I felt something like trauma a few weeks ago when I was crying constantly one day, feeling totally lost and disconnected from reality. There was a pain that felt somewhere between an emotion and physical sensation, it was palpable. It was also incredibly bleak and depressing. I am really addressing the next question to Enigma/Silence/Jason - do you really think the whole 'surrender' spiel can have any impact or help me in any way to get back in touch with life and reality in light of the fact that I may have some kind of trauma? God.. I feel like I'm on drugs the entire time and it's not pleasant. |
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Post by question on Jun 13, 2012 10:54:46 GMT -5
The symptoms for the 'dissociative state' are too many and unrelated to each other, it sounds like the author has let his mood guide his selection. The 'enlightened state' sounds impossibly perfect. He seems to have some issues with the 'dissociative state'. Maybe he recently bounces out of one and now feels like vilifying it. In my opinion the author paints a completely exaggerated and polarized picture without scientific basis and thus I would be very hesitant to let it guide me. |
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Post by zendancer on Jun 13, 2012 12:06:37 GMT -5
The symptoms for the 'dissociative state' are too many and unrelated to each other, it sounds like the author has let his mood guide his selection. The 'enlightened state' sounds impossibly perfect. He seems to have some issues with the 'dissociative state'. Maybe he recently bounces out of one and now feels like vilifying it. In my opinion the author paints a completely exaggerated and polarized picture without scientific basis and thus I would be very hesitant to let it guide me. Agreed. Suzanne Segal does a much better job of describing the condition that seems to be affecting you. This website wrote about the dissociative state as though it were highly positive but false; Segal's experience was decidedly negative, and her book speculates upon why that might be. If you can't find a copy of her book, send me a PM with your name and address, and I'll send you one. |
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