Dimensions, Words, Thinking, Matter -->Something?

[someNOTHING!]

Any mind sees them as so. Can You see the mind trying to figure all this out? Separate selves ("centers" stuck in the framework of their minds "they've accepted as real) have spent millennia and millennia trying to take the puzzle apart , put it back together, and fight over how both tasks should be done. Nothing has happened. It (a.k.a., Now, Present, You, I, You Reading This, These Words) is the Happening. Only One. Wicked!

Anyway, found a couple of essays online at a cool little website that I thought I'd pass on.

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The Spiritual Carbon Atom
That said, here's an interesting little fun tidbit that kind of brings depicts some of the recent topics....at least that's how my mind kinda saw it. (Sorry if this seems slightly paradoxical! ;D)

www.scribd.com/doc/6260177/Spiritual-Secrets-From-the-Carbon-Atom

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The Trinity to the One
Here's another one that brought in a interesting slant that looks to unite Christian theology and Non-dualist thinking. It's also a little uncanny how it ties in rather well with the previous link in various ways. In essence, it is saying that the Christian "model" (much like the 10 Dimensions) can be viewed to work toward greater levels of transcendence and ultimately to the Realization of Oneness, or unity.

I also kind of liked how it presents a way of thinking about the transcendence from egocentric to ethnocentric to ethicocentric to spiritocentric perspectives/experiences to see how the Christian theology can be seen with respect to "other" ways of thinking toward the Great Stumbling. Cool little mountain allegory also.

I had been thinking some more about the saying:

"A mountain is a mountain.
A mountain is not a mountain.
A mountain is a mountain."

so, it slid in rather nicely.


www.scribd.com/doc/12871708/Oneness-The-Peak-Theology-in-Spiritual-Thinking



Maybe it will trip someone. Who knows?!

If Nothing Else
Be Still and Watch/Know/Feel from the deeeeep Stillness within that you are Nothing; You are God, the One in Everything.

Be.

[fear]

That was a good read somenothing. Can you imagine that in ancient times the true nature of the carbon atom, the basis of life had been figured out by who knows what means. I would think meditation but they must have been so pure and free from thought that they could see this so clearly. It's just amazing.

I wonder how we went from a place of being awake to the clouded and confused state that we are in today. Well some of us are at least.

I think a big problem is that we think too highly of ourselves. If we thought nothing of ourselves as you said this would never occur. We would not be destroying our planet and ourselves. Laying claim to countries and land that belong to everyone. Destroying habitat where nature is flourishing to suit us not seeing what really is, but seeing what we want to see. But in reality all this is in me. What I describe as we is really me. I guess I'm only partly up the mountain. When I am the mountain, there won't be a problem, but I will never be the mountain, there will only be, a mountain.

[someNOTHING!]

Hi Fear,

As you have alluded to, there is a sense of confusion that sometimes triggers a propensity for the need to do something. Sometimes I wonder what would happen if more and more people were able to consistently catch themselves at that moment when they were dumbfounded by a situation, watch the reaction for what It Is, and then watch to see how the ego tries to reorganize itself or slap another layer of paint onto itself, rather than just run head long and strong into immediately identifying with that little bugger. LM does a great job of nudging folks in this direction.

I remember tinkering a bit with some Buddhist dreamstuff on the 5 skandas that seemed to give a nice clean little framework on the "almost" instantaneous way the ego "solidifies" its continuity as a separate something, apart from the rest of "existence". The following link was just quickly found and is nothing special at all (I'm sure there are better ones maybe others know of), but perhaps a little awareness of and attention on what the idea of the skandas actually points to might even shed some light on your dream and the dreamstate you were discussing before. Look at the layers upon layers being applied. Amazing dreamstuff, and really quite beautiful.

buddhism.about.com/od/whatistheself/a/skandhasnoself.htm


If you're curious about a perspective on the historical and developmental aspects of the ego and its divisive nature, you might check out a book called "The Fall", by Steven Taylor. I remember the book touching on each of the topics related to the fall out of ego you discuss in this thread. Taken as part of an adventure to heal the divisions you have accepted and which conspire to create the illusion of a separate self, it might shed some light on conditioning that is so intricately woven as a veil on the wholeness we Are (i.e., I Am). Rumi points to this lifting of the veil over and over in his poetry. What will you see?


Fear not and rest well my friend, and let the demons do what they do. See your little self at any moment. See the endless knot for what it is; how you pull on one string to loosen one aspect, while tightening another, and so on. Be. Emptiness. Just Perfectly So.

[fear]

Ahh, Emptiness, sounds so peaceful. I would have thought the opposite a few years ago when I wanted the world and everything in it. Although in the end I've just replaced one want for another.

I'm curious to know about your time spent alone wandering, in the himalayas and that shack in the bean field. It's the classic example of surrender or throwing the crutches away as u.g called it. This feeling is always hovering in the background for me. Not that I have to go to india or nepal to go astray but I feel the need to, let go, but don't have the guts to do it.

Here is a clip of u.g talking about throwing away the crutches. It's a long clip so forward to 7:16

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUUqKVWoc8

[someNOTHING!]

Hi Fear,

Just so we're clear, someNOTHING is still a character in this dream commonly misunderstood as reality. Thoughts, predicaments, reactions to phenomenon, and all the rest still arise in the dream, but I AM IS UNDERSTOOD.

Chuang Tzu

"From my living room, I experience the whole universe."

What did he mean by that?


As far as "having the guts", I sense this is all inter-connected (of course it is!) with the initial reasons you're on this board. I can't give advice to anyone, for there's no one to give advice to (hint), but if you're asking whether its possible or desirable (for you, the dream character) to use a journey into the unknown as part of your quest for Truth (if indeed you feel it necessary to search for It), I'd say, "Why the hell not?!".

As you mentioned, it's not necessary. If I looked back on the events of the dream and try to figure out why someNOTHING did it, I wouldn't know what to say really. But, having said that, I would say that I learned a lot about how culture, language, and interaction with our stage friends and environment shape the way we think and view existence in the dreamscape, and began to think backward from there. Pretty wild really.

If you asked how it helped me to wake up, I'd say, "Who?". And you'd say, "C'mon dude. Y'know what I'm saying." And I'd say, "Oh OK, for the sake of discussion, no, I don't think it helped 'me' wake up. I, someNOTHING, is in this dream with you, and why or how there was this experience of awakening in the dreamstate I have no idea. What 'helped', for want of a better word, was to quit looking in the dreamscape for a way out of the dream. The way 'out' is within the dream characters' elaborate confused way of thinking, and the value that way of thinking gives to its own thinking. Maybe, just maybe, it was the exhausted thinker that gave up and died? And then POOF?"

So, back to your alluded to question. If you think you would really like to 'go somewhere', so you can begin to play with this illusion and look at the rutted ways of existence and entangling webs of thought and environment you've somehow accepted as 'real' from a different perspective, you might try it. Who knows, maybe the 'urge' is the direction, the nudge you've been asking for. Be clear about what you ask for in this regard. See/Sense/Feel the direction when it comes (Note: This is metaphoric, too.).

"When you come to a fork in the road, take it." (I loved this when I heard it! haha)

I (dream character #29) didn't pause to think about too much back then. The confusion was just too much, so I had begun letting life make the choices, so to speak. I became the vehicle for the experiences. When I asked the 'driver' to do what it had to do to get us to where we were going, OH MY GOD! The ride was quite harrowing and without much rhyme or reason. To others, I was indeed a veritable madman. Hell, even the freaks thought I was a freak, though I looked quite normal. Oh well.

3-4 years off and on in the Himalayas, where I met my loveliest of the lovely freak wife, as well as living/traveling most of the last 15 years in various countries of Asia, with occasional stints in the States (family and friends) has been quite a journey in the dream. It's amazing dreamstuff to play or experiment with, get caught up in, lost in, wake up from, see. Were/Are there times of pain and trials and tribulations in the dream? Absolutely. Do I still walk around with the same conditioned self that the dream character had before? It seems less and less. I let go of the cats a while back, but I still sense their presence on occasion! haha

Fear not. It all passes. That I'm sure of.

Not really sure if any of this 'helps'. Not really sure what there is to 'teach'. Do what you do and do it well?

I guess I just don't know.

What do you think?

[fear]

Yes, thanks, your response satisfies my curiousity and I realize that it's a necessary step in realization although to the wanderer it can never be seen as a step, just a fading of will.

Buddha - gave up the princely life and sat under a fig tree
Jesus - went into the desert for 40days
U.G - left his family and wandered the streets of London
Mooji - wandered aimlessly, called it his "wilderness years"
Peace Pilgrim - left her wealthy life to walk through America

this is the step of surrender in my opinion and I don't think it can be forced. It will just naturally happen when it's time.