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Post by Beingist on Feb 1, 2012 15:07:07 GMT -5
That's what seems to happen with me--if I 'try' to 'see' anything, forget it. But when I go into awareness, I end up 'seeing' more than I ever thought I could.
It's probably more like a feeling but I don't want to put ideas in your head.
Oops just did but seriously can you say more about this.
Thks
NBisHIt's that nothing-and-everything thing. I think. It's joyous. Truly. And yes, it's becoming ever more like a feeling (but not really an emotion). And words can't even describe it. But, when stuff that's not THIS comes into awareness, (like a thought or belief), it tends to dissolve. At least right now. |
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Post by nobodyishome on Feb 1, 2012 15:31:24 GMT -5
It's that nothing-and-everything thing. I think. It's joyous. Truly. And yes, it's becoming ever more like a feeling (but not really an emotion). And words can't even describe it. But, when stuff that's not THIS comes into awareness, (like a thought or belief), it tends to dissolve. At least right now.
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2012 15:48:31 GMT -5
Watch???  No, no, no! I don't use the word 'watch' for a reason. Firstly, I don't have one, secondly 'watch' sounds like 'vigilant' and then I smell a doer lurking around somewhere... Seeing is the word!  Doesn't the very trying to notice/attend/witness/see preclude one even seeing anything? That's what seems to happen with me--if I 'try' to 'see' anything, forget it. But when I go into awareness, I end up 'seeing' more than I ever thought I could. Sometimes I say it's like pushing the pause button on mind and just looking. Without mind, the looking is effortless since it's mind that efforts, and it's instantaneous, since there's no time without mind. If there is a delay between the looking and the seeing, it's the attention to subtle levels of thought dissipating. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 1, 2012 16:45:45 GMT -5
Doesn't the very trying to notice/attend/witness/see preclude one even seeing anything? That's what seems to happen with me--if I 'try' to 'see' anything, forget it. But when I go into awareness, I end up 'seeing' more than I ever thought I could. Sometimes I say it's like pushing the pause button on mind and just looking. Without mind, the looking is effortless since it's mind that efforts, and it's instantaneous, since there's no time without mind. If there is a delay between the looking and the seeing, it's the attention to subtle levels of thought dissipating. Yeah, I like the 'pause button' analogy. It works like that for me, too. The mind still likes to go back into 'play' mode, though, however, less so, in my case, as time goes by. It really is a 'looking inward', though--like the 'awareness of awareness of awareness' thing. Seems no end to the awarenesseseses, no end to the depths of looking inward. |
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Post by zendancer on Feb 1, 2012 16:52:47 GMT -5
Doesn't the very trying to notice/attend/witness/see preclude one even seeing anything? That's what seems to happen with me--if I 'try' to 'see' anything, forget it. But when I go into awareness, I end up 'seeing' more than I ever thought I could. Sometimes I say it's like pushing the pause button on mind and just looking. Without mind, the looking is effortless since it's mind that efforts, and it's instantaneous, since there's no time without mind. If there is a delay between the looking and the seeing, it's the attention to subtle levels of thought dissipating. I got ready to write the same sort of thing as E., but he beat me to it (sigh). Yep, seeing is effortless. Also, you don't go into or out of awareness. Awareness simply is, and it's impersonal. It seems personal, but that's only because of the "I" overlay. When I-hood evaporates, there is seeing, but no one who is doing the seeing. The seeing is empty because mind has not split the seeing process into two imaginary states (see-er and seen). |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 1, 2012 17:24:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I like the 'pause button' analogy. It works like that for me, too. The mind still likes to go back into 'play' mode, though, however, less so, in my case, as time goes by. It really is a 'looking inward', though--like the 'awareness of awareness of awareness' thing. Seems no end to the awarenesseseses, no end to the depths of looking inward. Instead of looking deeper and deeper, look FROM deeper and deeper....keep backing up and putting whatever you observe, and whatever is observing, out in front, and let it do whatever it it's doing, just keep backing up, being aware of the awareness in front of you, until you become aware of being aware of that awareness, then put that in front of you too....keep backing up, putting every awareness, and awareness OF ________ in front of you....until there is nothing left of your deepest inner nature but bright clear empty clarity....when you have a taste of this natural state, return there as much and as often as possible, and reside there. Yeah, it's interesting how 'backing up' seems to describe it to a tee. The whole process seems natural, to me, like a 'falling into backwards', which is to say, you don't even need to suggest that I do it. It's mostly happening on it's own, right now. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 1, 2012 17:37:24 GMT -5
Yeah, it's interesting how 'backing up' seems to describe it to a tee. The whole process seems natural, to me, like a 'falling into backwards', which is to say, you don't even need to suggest that I do it. It's mostly happening on it's own, right now. If you are interested, let me know, once you have gotten to the point of being able to confidently reside in the emptyness, there is a further, a next "stage" of "progression" if you will. Yes, I rather anticipate that, though I don't know the future, and don't bother thinking about it. Whatever happens will happen. I have asked a couple of my very best friends, though, to keep an eye on me. In the first real stage of this thing, I ended up in a mental ward lockup for understandable reasons. When I really 'bliss out', I'm, like, gone. |
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Post by esponja on Feb 1, 2012 18:51:21 GMT -5
Doesn't the very trying to notice/attend/witness/see preclude one even seeing anything? That's what seems to happen with me--if I 'try' to 'see' anything, forget it. But when I go into awareness, I end up 'seeing' more than I ever thought I could. Sometimes I say it's like pushing the pause button on mind and just looking. Without mind, the looking is effortless since it's mind that efforts, and it's instantaneous, since there's no time without mind. If there is a delay between the looking and the seeing, it's the attention to subtle levels of thought dissipating. I feel like I've come around full circle. When I first read Tolle's Power of Now, this is exactly what I did. Just observed and had no thoughts about anything and it was great for a while, but thoughts soon snuck back in as I think I was actually trying not to think which made thinking happen more. Now, I can look at the thought too, without another thought. So I think Tolle's book was great but somehow the mind doesn't see the simplicity of it and needs to carry on the search. I felt that there was something else, but now I'm seeing there really isn't. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 1, 2012 18:57:15 GMT -5
Sometimes I say it's like pushing the pause button on mind and just looking. Without mind, the looking is effortless since it's mind that efforts, and it's instantaneous, since there's no time without mind. If there is a delay between the looking and the seeing, it's the attention to subtle levels of thought dissipating. I feel like I've come around full circle. When I first read Tolle's Power of Now, this is exactly what I did. Just observed and had no thoughts about anything and it was great for a while, but thoughts soon snuck back in as I think I was actually trying not to think which made thinking happen more. Now, I can look at the thought too, without another thought. So I think Tolle's book was great but somehow the mind doesn't see the simplicity of it and needs to carry on the search. I felt that there was something else, but now I'm seeing there really isn't. I agree. There IS more to it than what Tolle suggests. There's more than any one teacher can really suggest, because they can't know the separate 'you' that needs to be undone. The good news, is that it can all be undone from awareness, which seems to be basically the same for everyone. |
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Post by exactamente on Feb 1, 2012 19:33:03 GMT -5
I resonate with this. Trying to look hinders the looking that already is. But, I tend to forget. I remember once I wear myself out. All that vigilance can be exhausting! That's because there's a doer. Where there's a doer, there's exhaustion. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2012 20:47:00 GMT -5
I resonate with this. Trying to look hinders the looking that already is. But, I tend to forget. I remember once I wear myself out. All that vigilance can be exhausting! That's because there's a doer. Where there's a doer, there's exhaustion. Yeah, the effortless part es muy importante. |
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Post by exactamente on Feb 1, 2012 21:50:23 GMT -5
That's because there's a doer. Where there's a doer, there's exhaustion. Yeah, the effortless part es muy importante. exactamente! ;D |
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Post by nobody on Feb 1, 2012 21:51:20 GMT -5
ok. effortlessness is going on my to do list
;D
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2012 21:57:53 GMT -5
ok. effortlessness is going on my to do list ;D Practice effortlessness at least 10 hours/day for 3 months, then report back to us. ;D |
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Post by nobodyishome on Feb 1, 2012 22:18:55 GMT -5
A couple of real life stories. My Dad and I never really bonded much but when it came to shooting we did.
When I was 14 the first year I could go big game hunting (as long as I was with a adult hunter) they had the annual turkey shoot. This is the time a week before deer season opens before thanksgiving that the hunters would go up and shoot the guns at a target. The one that got the closest to the bulls eye won a turkey.
I remember so many men getting with such intense looks in their eyes. They held their rifle with one eye shut and hope for the best. I being just 14 went up with a smile on my face and shot. I really did not care about the outcome I was just happy to be there. Well at first the spotter thought I missed the target and on closer examination I knocked out the bull! The best tasting Turkey I ever had.
The second time was learning to trap shoot. I was always a good shot but for some reason I could not hit a clay pigeon for the life of me. I tried so hard and another shooter came to me and said when you have the target on your sights just jerk your gun about a inch in front and fire. Bingo that was what was missing. After that I was shooting some perfect scores 25 out of 25.
It still took attention to win the turkey and to hit the clay's.
My point being effortless does not mean being attentiveness.
NBisH
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