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Post by Portto on Jan 23, 2012 9:09:20 GMT -5
I can see that the techniques you recommend are useful, Andrew.
While no techniques can lead to 'awakening,' it's much better to arduously do something than to lament about hopelessness, helplessness, and futility.
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 9:22:38 GMT -5
I can see that the techniques you recommend are useful, Andrew. While no techniques can lead to 'awakening,' it's much better to arduously do something than to lament about hopelessness, helplessness, and futility. I think you just made my heart smile there P. And I agree that no techniques, by definition, can lead to awakening, so at best I offer them as a way of perhaps increasing the odds, or accelerating the process, or 'ripening the fruit'. There is no guarantee, but as you say, its better to do something than lament about hopelessness. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 9:29:06 GMT -5
I can see that the techniques you recommend are useful, Andrew. While no techniques can lead to 'awakening,' it's much better to arduously do something than to lament about hopelessness, helplessness, and futility. I think you just made my heart smile there P. And I agree that no techniques, by definition, can lead to awakening, so at best I offer them as a way of perhaps increasing the odds, or accelerating the process, or 'ripening the fruit'. There is no guarantee, but as you say, its better to do something than lament about hopelessness. this seems like a great summary of the central theme of the genre of lets-poke-andrew-threads. it's time to dance on the crumbling wall |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 9:37:27 GMT -5
I think you just made my heart smile there P. And I agree that no techniques, by definition, can lead to awakening, so at best I offer them as a way of perhaps increasing the odds, or accelerating the process, or 'ripening the fruit'. There is no guarantee, but as you say, its better to do something than lament about hopelessness. this seems like a great summary of the central theme of the genre of lets-poke-andrew-threads. it's time to dance on the crumbling wall Dancing happening here. I think some kind of polka hehe  |
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Post by desertrat on Jan 23, 2012 10:31:26 GMT -5
I think some one hear was asking for a method of relesing or reslove beliefs . Do deep breathing untill relaxed , visualize the belief filled with white /gold light then visualize it being warshed away , or say I fill that belief with white/gold light , the white/gold light has resloved the belief .Repeet this many times unit its gone . desert rat I never understood why that would have anything to do with releasing a belief. I think a lot deponds on personal beliefs and the effort you put in to a method . There are many methods , not ever one works for ever body . There are other methods of regressing to the point of the repressed problem , reliveing them to let them go . desert rat |
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Post by desertrat on Jan 23, 2012 10:39:51 GMT -5
Just wanted to note how relieving it is to know that I'm not alone in experiencing this purification thing. I spose we ought to acknowledge it more so's peeps don't think they're going crazy or doing something wrong. Basically, the whole process we naturally use to make ourselves feel better our whole lives, which is mostly pushing away the bad stuff, has to be reversed. We have to feel everything we didn't want to feel, hopefully from a place of wisdom where we can allow. You dont want to "push away bad stuff" or hide it , you want to open it up in a way you can deal with it and let it go . desert rat |
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Post by enigma on Jan 23, 2012 11:21:03 GMT -5
My understanding of conciseosity is 'to the point', brief. So no, noticing, in the way I mean it, is non-conceptual, nonverbal, timeless realization. Andrew has repeatedly defined it otherwise, and I don't always have the energy or inclination to say something. I should mention that in spite of the woo woo sounding definition, it's not a different 'process' from noticing that you're lost, or that you missed an appointment or noticing that you just fell in the river and went unconscious for a time. It's actually Steven's "observing from awareness" and ZD's "non-abidance in mind", but to me it seems more to the point and perhaps more obvious and simple. We don't notice because we're not interested, or else actively interested in not noticing. That's the issue we have to deal with, which is why I have trouble agreeing that it is a practice. Nobody can actually practice timeless noticing, though perhaps the intention is useful. Out of interest, given that it causes controversy, why not call it 'witnessing' then? Im sure nobody would mind that. Then on the other hand we dont really 'witness' stuff to be not true do we? We 'notice' stuff to be not true. And therein lies the difference. Right. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 23, 2012 11:30:40 GMT -5
I'm much more joyful and loving than you, and I'm honest while you lie through your teeth. I've accomplished those goals while you're still in second grade. Never turn your back on a self proclaimed 'loving person'. ;D Who is talking about self-proclaimed? Im talking about the real deal. The real deal is the absence of the person who wants to be loving. Most peeps are naturally pretty loving, but the one who wants to become loving apparently isn't. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 23, 2012 11:34:46 GMT -5
Having to figure out a way of releasing a belief in something that you see clearly is not so, is clearly a mind game. Either you didn't actually see anything, or you found a way to keep the game going anyway by convincing yourself the belief couldn't be changed without a strategy. I'm talking about my own actual experience, and I'm watching the same thing happen to Marie now. We talk about something, she looks, she sees, and a couple weeks later she notices she doesn't struggle with something anymore, or doesn't fear something anymore, or doesn't do something or believe something anymore. Sometimes she wonders why, because mind isn't good at tracking what it has lost, what fell away and is no longer experienced, so she asks me. I tell her. She gets it, and it opens her heart to looking some more, and something else falls away, and there's more ease and lightness and relaxation and joy and love. Mostly she doesn't know what is gone or why and doesn't need to know, and doesn't care. She just wants to be free. She thinks the love she feels growing every day is coming from me, but it is her own Love emerging from the rubble of unnecessary thoughts and beliefs that no longer entrance her or feed her. She's not trying to figure it out or become something, she's trying to empty herself. Her intention is very clear, and so clarity happens. Im not sure you have released a whole lot of attachment so I wouldnt like to say what is happening to Marie, though if she has set an intention I think thats good and stands her in good stead. As she continues to grow it may well bring some more stuff to the surface for you to look at too. I used a whole load of techniques to release my stuff on my ongoing path to becoming a loving and joyful person. EFT, NLP, Theta Healing, Sedona Method, Byron Katie's work...to name but a few. They work in my opinion and experience. One of the difficulties with peeps who are trying to become something is that they need to find others who aren't. (ie, 'I've released lots of attachments and you haven't'. 'I'm loving you're not.' 'I'm enlightened and you're not'.) |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 11:35:14 GMT -5
Who is talking about self-proclaimed? Im talking about the real deal. The real deal is the absence of the person who wants to be loving. Most peeps are naturally pretty loving, but the one who wants to become loving apparently isn't. Im not sure that I agree that most peeps are naturally pretty loving but its not that relevant. Someone who is loving is without attachment to personal beliefs. Wanting to become a loving person is wanting to become someone who has no attachment to personal beliefs. Its the same thing. The goal is to become someone loving/become someone who has no attachment to personal beliefs. The method I advocate Ive already described. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 23, 2012 11:37:49 GMT -5
Without an identity, it means nothing to 'me'. Fear is just fear, it's not shame for our parents' neuroses or the need to be loved unconditionally. These things are only experience from within the identification, which forms first. We are talking about the root cause and Im showing you that babies are picking up their parents neuroses from the moment of conception, and thats because we are sensitive, connected, inter-relating beings. If they were unconditionally loved from day one, there would be no problematic identification. Akchuly, you're telling your story over and over and not listening. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 11:38:28 GMT -5
Im not sure you have released a whole lot of attachment so I wouldnt like to say what is happening to Marie, though if she has set an intention I think thats good and stands her in good stead. As she continues to grow it may well bring some more stuff to the surface for you to look at too. I used a whole load of techniques to release my stuff on my ongoing path to becoming a loving and joyful person. EFT, NLP, Theta Healing, Sedona Method, Byron Katie's work...to name but a few. They work in my opinion and experience. One of the difficulties with peeps who are trying to become something is that they need to find others who aren't. (ie, 'I've released lots of attachments and you haven't'. 'I'm loving you're not.' 'I'm enlightened and you're not'.) Peeps in attachment are ALREADY trying to do that. Setting the goal will give us situations to resolve our fear and pretentiousness and self-images. Ask and it is given. (Though the path could be bumpy). |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 11:38:57 GMT -5
We are talking about the root cause and Im showing you that babies are picking up their parents neuroses from the moment of conception, and thats because we are sensitive, connected, inter-relating beings. If they were unconditionally loved from day one, there would be no problematic identification. Akchuly, you're telling your story over and over and not listening. Oh you're not listening then? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 23, 2012 11:42:52 GMT -5
I never understood why that would have anything to do with releasing a belief. Coz releasing beliefs is a holistic matter of transmutating fear into love. That's not done by visualizing white light and such. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 11:47:20 GMT -5
Coz releasing beliefs is a holistic matter of transmutating fear into love. That's not done by visualizing white light and such. desertrat seems to think it does and I have met plenty of others who also use white light. Colour is vibrational. A high vibration energy transmutes a low vibration energy. Thats also basically how the shift in consciousness is unfolding. |
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