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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 3:27:37 GMT -5
I think some one hear was asking for a method of relesing or reslove beliefs . Do deep breathing untill relaxed , visualize the belief filled with white /gold light then visualize it being warshed away , or say I fill that belief with white/gold light , the white/gold light has resloved the belief .Repeet this many times unit its gone . desert rat I never understood why that would have anything to do with releasing a belief. Coz releasing beliefs is a holistic matter of transmutating fear into love. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 3:28:19 GMT -5
Just wanted to note how relieving it is to know that I'm not alone in experiencing this purification thing. I spose we ought to acknowledge it more so's peeps don't think they're going crazy or doing something wrong. Basically, the whole process we naturally use to make ourselves feel better our whole lives, which is mostly pushing away the bad stuff, has to be reversed. We have to feel everything we didn't want to feel, hopefully from a place of wisdom where we can allow. Yes, 'allow' there the crucial word. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 3:35:41 GMT -5
Just wanted to note how relieving it is to know that I'm not alone in experiencing this purification thing. I've yet to meet any others. I sought them out because it is a lonely ordeal. I eventually gave up and realized that I was on my own. But, perhaps there are one or two on this board who don't talk about it very much. If you prefer a partner to share your path with, manifest one. Intimate relationships have a habit of bringing attachments and fears to the surface in a big way. My wife and me went through hell the first few months we spent together, and that was supposed to be the honeymoon period. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 3:56:47 GMT -5
I spose we ought to acknowledge it more so's peeps don't think they're going crazy or doing something wrong. Basically, the whole process we naturally use to make ourselves feel better our whole lives, which is mostly pushing away the bad stuff, has to be reversed. We have to feel everything we didn't want to feel, hopefully from a place of wisdom where we can allow. Yes, I've understood this rather intuitively, but it's just comforting that I'm not alone in going through the 'purification'. It can be ... 'bumpy', to use Andrew's term. Ive been on forums where half the talk is about the bumps, but I think maybe women tend to be more open to talking about the bumps than men. So for what its worth, Ive screamed, Ive begged, Ive made the decision that its time to end my life, Ive wept and wept and wept, Ive been terrified, Ive been paralyzed with fear, and Ive been full of rage. There has been tormentedness, confusion, insanity, and suffering at times that is beyond any words that I can adequately find. But I dont think it has to be like that for everyone. I think there are some exploring the process extremely fully so that they can show others slightly more effective, easier and less painful ways of 'getting there'. What has really fallen away for me is the question....'why?' I still experience quite extreme intensities of energies of different kinds, but there is no sulking, there is no 'why'. There is just getting on with it without fuss. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 23, 2012 4:28:40 GMT -5
My wife and me went through hell the first few months we spent together, and that was supposed to be the honeymoon period. I'm going through something similar at the moment - this coming after 6 years of marriage. All my previous relationships ended once the illusion of "Peter is wonderful" faded away, so this is the first time I've really had to sit and work through what my wife calls "constructive criticism". Something I've been finding helpful is to ask myself the question: "Am I upset because she's wrong? Or upset because she's right?" I read a quote in a Jack Kornfield book which went something like - "The spiritual life is just one insult to the ego after another" - but I can't find it right now. I'm sure other people have to come to the truth from the other direction - starting from "I'm rubbish" they need to move towards "I'm great", and I'm also sure there'll be a bit of pendulum motion going on. Personally I'm still on the downward swing. Hmm, that's quite an "I" count. I, I, I, me, me, me. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 4:39:45 GMT -5
My wife and me went through hell the first few months we spent together, and that was supposed to be the honeymoon period. I'm going through something similar at the moment - this coming after 6 years of marriage. All my previous relationships ended once the illusion of "Peter is wonderful" faded away, so this is the first time I've really had to sit and work through what my wife calls "constructive criticism". Something I've been finding helpful is to ask myself the question: "Am I upset because she's wrong? Or upset because she's right?" I read a quote in a Jack Kornfield book which went something like - "The spiritual life is just one insult to the ego after the other" - but I can't find it right now. I'm sure other people have to come to the truth from the other direction - starting from "I'm rubbish" they need to move towards "I'm great", and I'm also sure there'll be a bit of pendulum motion going on. Personally I'm still on the downward swing. Hmm, that's quite an "I" count. I, I, I, me, me, me. That Jack Kornfield quote made me laugh. It resonates with me, I like Jack, I find him very practical. Do you and your wife share similar values? Are you both willing to work through egoic issues together? I think that what got me and Jenn through our difficulties (and they were enormous) is that we shared the same vision and the same values, so even when things were at their worst we were able to just keep plugging forward. Neither of us wanted to be the possessive, jealous, needy type. We didnt want a co-dependent love. We wanted freedom, inter-dependency, joy, gratitude, appreciation, fun and play. Its still an ongoing process for me and Jenn, its not plain sailing by any means, but we are very aligned these days, and work through our difficulties as they arise very quickly. We still share the same vision and values. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 23, 2012 4:51:35 GMT -5
Do you and your wife share similar values? Are you both willing to work through egoic issues together? We met on a Buddhist Retreat so that really set the flavour for our relationship. We're both very much committed to walking the Spiritual Path together, although recently we've come to see that my idea of the Spritual Path is to Find The Answer, and her's is to Be A Good Person and in this regard she thinks that she's right and I'm wrong, and I think both have value - although I've got some way to go on path 2. My issues are not so much egoic as they are about dealing (for which read previously avoiding) difficult emotional states. And I mean really really avoiding in a traditional Scottish stoic not-talking-about-it sort of way; and beyond that to not-thinking-about-it, not-feeling-it, finding it difficult to think about even if I try to. Basically shutting out anything that doesn't fit with my picture of Wonderful Me. I might start a new thread on that. What was this thread supposed to be about anyway - Holy Cow this Board is Buggered? Lets see what the censor makes of that... Edit: Ahh ha ha ha, slipped that one in through the back door. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 5:09:40 GMT -5
Do you and your wife share similar values? Are you both willing to work through egoic issues together? We met on a Buddhist Retreat so that really set the flavour for our relationship. We're both very much committed to walking the Spiritual Path together, although recently we've come to see that my idea of the Spritual Path is to Find The Answer, and her's is to Be A Good Person and in this regard she thinks that she's right and I'm wrong, and I think both have value - although I've got some way to go on path 2. My issues are not so much egoic as they are about dealing (for which read previously avoiding) difficult emotional states. And I mean really really avoiding in a traditional Scottish stoic not-talking-about-it and beyond that to not-thinking-about-it, not-feeling-it. Basically shutting out anything that doesn't fit with my picture of Wonderful Me. I might start a new thread on that. What was this thread supposed to be about anyway - Holy Cow this Board is Buggered? Lets see what the censor makes of that... Edit: Ahh ha ha ha, slipped that one in through the back door. Haha. I actually cant remember what this thread was supposed to be about either. I can also relate to the shutting out of anything that doesnt fit with my picture of wonderful me, I think this process of becoming more open is an ongoing one. I used to be in a tearing hurry because I was in so much general pain, but actually the tearing hurry was part OF the pain. These days both me and Jenn are still clear as to the direction we prefer to be going, but somewhere along the way, we seem to have cultivated more patience and trust and appreciation for the unfolding process. It seems to me from what you have said that you and your wife are walking the path hand in hand which is cool. |
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Post by question on Jan 23, 2012 6:05:02 GMT -5
Okay. The point was that the question, which you recommend to let go of, is absent, and yet there is no enlightenment. How would you explain that? I don't know. The enlightenment fairy hasn't visited you yet? Apparently not. So if the falling away of the question then has nothing to do with enlightenment, why are you recommend a letting go of questions? This is actually what I meant with my 'first, then, now' post to Enigma about techniques. You recommend something, then we look at it closely and it turns out to be bs advice once again. |
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Post by question on Jan 23, 2012 6:08:03 GMT -5
In reference to the thread title...  ... I just thought we needed an image.  Fool! You're picture is photoshopped! Look, that's what a real holy cow looks like:  |
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Post by Portto on Jan 23, 2012 8:26:18 GMT -5
I think some one hear was asking for a method of relesing or reslove beliefs . Do deep breathing untill relaxed , visualize the belief filled with white /gold light then visualize it being warshed away , or say I fill that belief with white/gold light , the white/gold light has resloved the belief .Repeet this many times unit its gone . desert rat Yep, I can see that could work. And how do you release the belief that the above-mentioned method works? What about this approach: write the belief on a piece of paper and set it on fire. Paper fire is usually gold-ish in color. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 8:30:17 GMT -5
Yep, I can see that could work. And how do you release the belief that the above-mentioned method works? What about this approach: write the belief on a piece of paper and set it on fire. Paper fire is usually gold-ish in color. Im not particularly attached TO that belief. I know you were joking but your technique might actually have some value hehe. |
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Post by Portto on Jan 23, 2012 8:31:11 GMT -5
Its still an ongoing process for me All processes are more of the "play of form," and this is even more so when they are seen as special processes, that can take a being from 'here' to some ultimate desirable 'there.' |
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Post by Portto on Jan 23, 2012 8:32:57 GMT -5
your technique might actually have some value hehe. It certainly feels good to burn those pesky beliefs. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2012 8:47:35 GMT -5
Its still an ongoing process for me All processes are more of the "play of form," and this is even more so when they are seen as special processes, that can take a being from 'here' to some ultimate desirable 'there.' Play of form is fine, its when we are attached to the play of form that it is not experienced as a play of form. If we assume that we start from a position of attachment. Somehow we have to get from that position to a place of 'play of form'. The way to do that is to attach to a process that enables us to release attachment. Otherwise we remain stuck in knowledge/attachment and most of that knowledge is abstract stuff about no individuality and being and play of form. Thats the thing, there are plenty of people who have knowledge about form and formlessness and stuff like that, but how many have actually shifted from knowledge to non-attachment? |
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