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Post by quinn on Mar 4, 2016 10:06:27 GMT -5
Adya seems to be a little heavy on this silence thingy. May just be his personality though. Yes, most definitely. He often references the "ground" of silence. I think it's difficult to try and teach others to notice what's always here and never hidden. He's often said he's selling water by the river and no one needs to buy from him, just look at what's right here. But we don't. So what to teach? My impression of his personality is that he enjoys talking. I could be wrong, though, and he's just found himself in a position that requires him to do it a lot. |
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Post by maxdprophet on Mar 4, 2016 11:37:55 GMT -5
“When it is time to put the various spiritual teachings aside, you will know it. Quite suddenly what once inspired you will repel you and you will be drawn more and more into silence. When this time comes you may be confused and wonder what happened to your enthusiasm, but rest assured that nothing has gone wrong, it is simply time to give your attention to silence. You may in fact go back and forth several times between being immersed in a teaching and then drawn to silence. Each phase has its own value and time." ~ Adyashanti I gave my attention to Twitter, and -- HOO BOY-- did that wake me up! |
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Post by quinn on Mar 4, 2016 12:33:03 GMT -5
“When it is time to put the various spiritual teachings aside, you will know it. Quite suddenly what once inspired you will repel you and you will be drawn more and more into silence. When this time comes you may be confused and wonder what happened to your enthusiasm, but rest assured that nothing has gone wrong, it is simply time to give your attention to silence. You may in fact go back and forth several times between being immersed in a teaching and then drawn to silence. Each phase has its own value and time." ~ Adyashanti I gave my attention to Twitter, and -- HOO BOY-- did that wake me up! I'm fascinated - tell me more! (Was it Donald's tweets?) |
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Post by maxdprophet on Mar 8, 2016 13:48:09 GMT -5
I gave my attention to Twitter, and -- HOO BOY-- did that wake me up! I'm fascinated - tell me more! (Was it Donald's tweets?) Twitter is Mara on mental steroids. Peeps commenting on commenting on commenting.....Like here. And like here, it's nice to connect with folks from all around that have similar interest/thoughts, and bounce things off one another. But this pointer/concept of silence stands apart. |
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Post by quinn on Mar 8, 2016 18:03:11 GMT -5
I'm fascinated - tell me more! (Was it Donald's tweets?) Twitter is Mara on mental steroids. Peeps commenting on commenting on commenting.....Like here. And like here, it's nice to connect with folks from all around that have similar interest/thoughts, and bounce things off one another. But this pointer/concept of silence stands apart. Ah, okay. Your reference to "It woke me up" had me curious. Sometimes I don't get jokes.  I like your new tag line. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 0:30:26 GMT -5
Adya seems to be a little heavy on this silence thingy. May just be his personality though. Yes, most definitely. He often references the "ground" of silence. I think it's difficult to try and teach others to notice what's always here and never hidden. He's often said he's selling water by the river and no one needs to buy from him, just look at what's right here. But we don't. So what to teach? My impression of his personality is that he enjoys talking. I could be wrong, though, and he's just found himself in a position that requires him to do it a lot. Silence is the key you know. It really is. Really.  |
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Post by laughter on Mar 9, 2016 5:32:47 GMT -5
Yes, most definitely. He often references the "ground" of silence. I think it's difficult to try and teach others to notice what's always here and never hidden. He's often said he's selling water by the river and no one needs to buy from him, just look at what's right here. But we don't. So what to teach? My impression of his personality is that he enjoys talking. I could be wrong, though, and he's just found himself in a position that requires him to do it a lot. Silence is the key you know. It really is. Really.  I know that it's pretty easy to conclude otherwise but lots if not most peeps here do get that and get it pretty deeply. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 9, 2016 7:33:52 GMT -5
Adya seems to be a little heavy on this silence thingy. May just be his personality though. Yes, most definitely. He often references the "ground" of silence. I think it's difficult to try and teach others to notice what's always here and never hidden. He's often said he's selling water by the river and no one needs to buy from him, just look at what's right here. But we don't. So what to teach? My impression of his personality is that he enjoys talking. I could be wrong, though, and he's just found himself in a position that requires him to do it a lot. Yes, you actually can't teach that because it's your natural state. How can you find something that you've never lost? When you're already home, then any road home you take is inevitably the road away from home. And this is not something hidden. It's only hidden to the monkey mind. And unfortunately, the search is entirely a monkey mind driven adventure. So that's never going to go anywhere by definition, except maybe one thing: the realization of the futility of the search. That's the only valuable realization the monkey is capable of. As soon as that happens, you're back on track and free to stumble back into your natural state, which happens when the monkey mind is (for whatever reason) knocked out. Then the static is gone and silence is right there again. Now, some folks then conclude that a life in silence would be the goal and they start living like hermits (Roy!). That's the monkey mind taking over again and drawing false conclusions with flawful logic. And it could be that Adya somehow nurtures that kind of misconception with his talks (even though he's clearly explained in his books that silence does not equal sensory quietude, aka lack of noise or activity). Teaching is tricky business. That's why A-H say words don't teach, only life experience does, i.e. teaching by example. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 9, 2016 7:43:07 GMT -5
Yes, most definitely. He often references the "ground" of silence. I think it's difficult to try and teach others to notice what's always here and never hidden. He's often said he's selling water by the river and no one needs to buy from him, just look at what's right here. But we don't. So what to teach? My impression of his personality is that he enjoys talking. I could be wrong, though, and he's just found himself in a position that requires him to do it a lot. Silence is the key you know. It really is. Really. No, it's not. |
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Post by quinn on Mar 9, 2016 8:59:04 GMT -5
Yes, most definitely. He often references the "ground" of silence. I think it's difficult to try and teach others to notice what's always here and never hidden. He's often said he's selling water by the river and no one needs to buy from him, just look at what's right here. But we don't. So what to teach? My impression of his personality is that he enjoys talking. I could be wrong, though, and he's just found himself in a position that requires him to do it a lot. Yes, you actually can't teach that because it's your natural state. How can you find something that you've never lost? When you're already home, then any road home you take is inevitably the road away from home. And this is not something hidden. It's only hidden to the monkey mind. And unfortunately, the search is entirely a monkey mind driven adventure. So that's never going to go anywhere by definition, except maybe one thing: the realization of the futility of the search. That's the only valuable realization the monkey is capable of. As soon as that happens, you're back on track and free to stumble back into your natural state, which happens when the monkey mind is (for whatever reason) knocked out. Then the static is gone and silence is right there again. Now, some folks then conclude that a life in silence would be the goal and they start living like hermits (Roy!). That's the monkey mind taking over again and drawing false conclusions with flawful logic. And it could be that Adya somehow nurtures that kind of misconception with his talks (even though he's clearly explained in his books that silence does not equal sensory quietude, aka lack of noise or activity). Teaching is tricky business. That's why A-H say words don't teach, only life experience does, i.e. teaching by example. Totally agreeing with you as I'm reading until I got to this line. That's not the only valuable realization that mind can have. It can discover and fully comprehend where suffering is coming from and maybe as a result start to lose interest in all sorts of monkey-mind activity, not just the search. It can begin to see the value of staying in touch with what's present right now, which slows it down. And it can see that there's a well of life-sustaining nourishment in silence. There's no efforting in silence, it's pure surrender. And it's where what's true come from (ok, that one was a bit poetic). Life in silence as a goal is silly. But I'm sure there are people who have a strong need for some silence R&R, ones who have been particularly beat up by their minds. |
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Post by quinn on Mar 9, 2016 9:02:11 GMT -5
Yes, most definitely. He often references the "ground" of silence. I think it's difficult to try and teach others to notice what's always here and never hidden. He's often said he's selling water by the river and no one needs to buy from him, just look at what's right here. But we don't. So what to teach? My impression of his personality is that he enjoys talking. I could be wrong, though, and he's just found himself in a position that requires him to do it a lot. Silence is the key you know. It really is. Really. I see it as a key too, along with presence. Course if the mind is truly silent, can't get much more present than that. And if we're truly present, silence is. |
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Post by jkris on Mar 9, 2016 12:14:04 GMT -5
Silence is the key you know. It really is. Really. No, it's not. Some body knot has to be severed or some identification with the body has to go. The illusion of separateness/I has to go/Me has to go. Not sure what it means. Heard - many saying - Silence is the Key. The whole effort is to reach silence (absence of thoughts) then some thing will happen. Hence long duration of meditation etc. And if Silence is not the key then what is the means ? Thank you. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 22:58:00 GMT -5
Some body knot has to be severed or some identification with the body has to go. The illusion of separateness/I has to go/Me has to go. Not sure what it means. Heard - many saying - Silence is the Key. The whole effort is to reach silence (absence of thoughts) then some thing will happen. Hence long duration of meditation etc. And if Silence is not the key then what is the means ? Thank you. It's not that silence will make something happen. It's that silence will reveal what is already there, which is the unbounded. Then we have the possibility of shifting identity to that. Mind will only continue with the story of that which changes which can never define what you are. If that's true, then let's remove it and move towards silence. |
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Post by quinn on Apr 8, 2016 17:45:01 GMT -5
"The practice of abiding as awareness is essential and powerful—as is the noticing of limiting ideas in regards to self and seeing that they in no way define who and what you really are. These two complementary practices are really all that you need if you engage in them with consistency and sincerity.
Essentially, they help you to uncover your true nature—which is already there but is generally clouded over by self-limiting ideas and beliefs. Keeping things simple and one-pointed is the best way to achieve results. Remember this and apply it, and the doors of perception will open and flourish."
~ Adyashanti
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Post by quinn on Apr 10, 2016 11:05:40 GMT -5
"There's a point when you intuitively realize that to be free you have to give up your attachment to freedom. You have to quit asking yourself: Is it still there? Am I okay? You have to decide to never look over your shoulder again to see if you're free or if if others know your free. You just have to let yourself burn there - no matter what.
This isn't something I can help you with. I can tell you what you need to do, but you have to do it. In the beginning, teachers can help a lot. But the deeper you go, all they can do is point, and clarify, and tell you what you need to do. Only you can take this step. Nobody can push you into this place.
It's like Buddha's final night under the Bodhi tree. What did he do when confronted with this? He reached down and touched the ground and said, 'I will not be moved.' Finally - when everything that could be thrown at him was thrown, and he was still unmoved - it was done. He never looked back."
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I know that it's pretty easy to conclude otherwise but lots if not most peeps here do get that and get it pretty deeply. 