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Post by laughter on Mar 11, 2013 20:29:04 GMT -5
 we've covered that ground already And you're now tired of it? Just like Musical Chairs. "Bob's it!" ;D oops - I mean "Bob's out!"  Now Now Silver! ... to be fair ... I did say the same thing to Enigma! |
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Post by quinn on Mar 11, 2013 21:15:51 GMT -5
Well, not to be flip or anything, I thought what I wrote above was an offer to hear how this jibes with your experience and understanding. I'm not sure what I can add. What does it mean to you to "be still"? How is that accomplished? So....I guess no exploring today. **bounces ball sullenly off in corner** |
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Post by enigma on Mar 11, 2013 21:42:53 GMT -5
There's no need to identify myself as a 'person', i 'am' that, too, it is self-evident, you are actually looking for it.. and, isn't it interesting that the 'person' is so real that even if you 'think' you don't see it, you find cause to search for it, to 'notice' that your expectation of its existence is unfulfilled? it's important to notice what's really happening, here.. Be well.. Be well.. Some perspectives prefer adopting an either/or resolution to the paradox. That wouldn't actually be my approach, though I also wouldn't embrace the paradox by declaring both separation and oneness. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 11, 2013 21:51:03 GMT -5
Well, not to be flip or anything, I thought what I wrote above was an offer to hear how this jibes with your experience and understanding. I'm not sure what I can add. What does it mean to you to "be still"? How is that accomplished? So....I guess no exploring today. **bounces ball sullenly off in corner** I guess you weren't open and honest enough for him.  |
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Post by quinn on Mar 12, 2013 7:05:51 GMT -5
So....I guess no exploring today. **bounces ball sullenly off in corner** I guess you weren't open and honest enough for him. I suspect it's a case of 'attention goes where the interest is'. Tzu made it very clear in another thread where his interest is. Lucky you. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 7:35:28 GMT -5
Well, not to be flip or anything, I thought what I wrote above was an offer to hear how this jibes with your experience and understanding. I'm not sure what I can add. What does it mean to you to "be still"? How is that accomplished? So....I guess no exploring today. **bounces ball sullenly off in corner** I was listening to an old TAT talk this morning by Mike Connors. He was referencing a type of meditation that Rose recommended involving effortlessness. 'Practice effortlessness' was his actual recommendation. Like 15-20 minutes a day. Sit and practice thinking without thinking. Heh.  |
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Post by quinn on Mar 12, 2013 7:56:38 GMT -5
So....I guess no exploring today. **bounces ball sullenly off in corner** I was listening to an old TAT talk this morning by Mike Connors. He was referencing a type of meditation that Rose recommended involving effortlessness. 'Practice effortlessness' was his actual recommendation. Like 15-20 minutes a day. Sit and practice thinking without thinking. Heh. Yikes. I actually have done a version of this, though, a few years back. I was looking at control and choices and effort. So I says to myself (that's how we talk in Jersey), let's just try a day where I let go of all that. Ended up sitting a really long time, but then - got up and did stuff. And that stuff felt so much easier, even the stuff I'm not that fond of doing. I have no idea if that's just playing around, but it did give me an experiential sense of the tremendous amount of effort involved when we think we're in charge of life and living. And I was surprised at how much got accomplished with so little energy expenditure. It was more like an experiment than a practice though. Practicing effortlessness...  Hey, there's a puke smiley!!  |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 12, 2013 9:36:35 GMT -5
Well, not to be flip or anything, I thought what I wrote above was an offer to hear how this jibes with your experience and understanding. I'm not sure what I can add. What does it mean to you to "be still"? How is that accomplished? So....I guess no exploring today. **bounces ball sullenly off in corner** Many humble apologies.. my attention span and capacity to manage multiple thought streams is less than the current forum reply string demands.. i do not want to gloss-over a reply to this issue, i beg your patience.. Be well |
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Post by quinn on Mar 12, 2013 10:52:25 GMT -5
So....I guess no exploring today. **bounces ball sullenly off in corner** Many humble apologies.. my attention span and capacity to manage multiple thought streams is less than the current forum reply string demands.. i do not want to gloss-over a reply to this issue, i beg your patience.. Be well No problem, Tzu. I can tell you're not off eating bon-bons. I was mostly interested in what it is you want to share with this forum, aside from your opinion about Enigma that is. The only thing I was getting clearly was your interest in "being still". More fuzzily, I'm getting something about honoring personhood - I could be way off on that. But, combining those two makes stillness an even more interesting proposition to discuss. No rush on responding. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 12:05:14 GMT -5
I was listening to an old TAT talk this morning by Mike Connors. He was referencing a type of meditation that Rose recommended involving effortlessness. 'Practice effortlessness' was his actual recommendation. Like 15-20 minutes a day. Sit and practice thinking without thinking. Heh. Yikes. I actually have done a version of this, though, a few years back. I was looking at control and choices and effort. So I says to myself (that's how we talk in Jersey), let's just try a day where I let go of all that. Ended up sitting a really long time, but then - got up and did stuff. And that stuff felt so much easier, even the stuff I'm not that fond of doing. I have no idea if that's just playing around, but it did give me an experiential sense of the tremendous amount of effort involved when we think we're in charge of life and living. And I was surprised at how much got accomplished with so little energy expenditure. It was more like an experiment than a practice though. Practicing effortlessness... Hey, there's a puke smiley!! I tried it this morning, as an experiment. Lets just say that monkeymind had my monkeybody moving too. Viewing it as an experiment, without any expectation is exactly the right way of looking at it. Connors was suggesting that you may get momentary glimpses of what effortlessness is like and that these sort of build up and subvert the efforting over a while. 10-15 minutes twice a day is better than going to TAT sessions, etc. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 12, 2013 14:10:17 GMT -5
Some perspectives prefer adopting an either/or resolution to the paradox. That wouldn't actually be my approach, though I also wouldn't embrace the paradox by declaring both separation and oneness. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 12, 2013 15:09:31 GMT -5
I guess you weren't open and honest enough for him. I suspect it's a case of 'attention goes where the interest is'. Tzu made it very clear in another thread where his interest is. Lucky you. What can I say? I'm a popular guy.  |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 12, 2013 15:23:57 GMT -5
Greetings.. Some perspectives prefer adopting an either/or resolution to the paradox. That wouldn't actually be my approach, though I also wouldn't embrace the paradox by declaring both separation and oneness. To be clear.. my 'preference' is no declaration.. not oneness or manyness or separation or non-duality.. but, when something 'is' declared, like oneness, then it's defining contrasting principle is declared, too.. Be well.. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 12, 2013 15:37:35 GMT -5
Greetings.. That wouldn't actually be my approach, though I also wouldn't embrace the paradox by declaring both separation and oneness. To be clear.. my 'preference' is no declaration.. not oneness or manyness or separation or non-duality.. but, when something 'is' declared, like oneness, then it's defining contrasting principle is declared, too.. Be well.. ideas about ( ___What up Reefs?______) aren't ( ___What up Reefs?______) |
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Post by laughter on Mar 12, 2013 15:49:46 GMT -5
Yikes. I actually have done a version of this, though, a few years back. I was looking at control and choices and effort. So I says to myself (that's how we talk in Jersey), let's just try a day where I let go of all that. Ended up sitting a really long time, but then - got up and did stuff. And that stuff felt so much easier, even the stuff I'm not that fond of doing. I have no idea if that's just playing around, but it did give me an experiential sense of the tremendous amount of effort involved when we think we're in charge of life and living. And I was surprised at how much got accomplished with so little energy expenditure. It was more like an experiment than a practice though. Practicing effortlessness... Hey, there's a puke smiley!! I tried it this morning, as an experiment. Lets just say that monkeymind had my monkeybody moving too. Viewing it as an experiment, without any expectation is exactly the right way of looking at it. Connors was suggesting that you may get momentary glimpses of what effortlessness is like and that these sort of build up and subvert the efforting over a while. 10-15 minutes twice a day is better than going to TAT sessions, etc. Max, Quinn, you've probably seen this stuff before ... but ... I've found this really helpful in terms of sitting ... the usual disclaimers apply: no reason to sit as it is the practice of what we are never not ... sitting is ultimately futile. yadda. yadda. and more yadda. Ultimately though, every instant is an opportunity to follow the roads that lead to Rome. |
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