dave
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Post by dave on Jun 30, 2011 12:48:32 GMT -5
Just read this article by Jan Cox: www.jancox.com/1455n.html And I'm wondering if the sudden onslaught of 'alternative' reality movies like The Matrix, Source Code, Inception, Limitless, etc... and the sudden preponderance of books and movies about zombies isn't some sort of herald or precursor to some sort of widespread 'awakening' by humanity. Thoughts? Ideas? Opinions?
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Post by therealfake on Jun 30, 2011 20:13:45 GMT -5
Just read this article by Jan Cox: www.jancox.com/1455n.html And I'm wondering if the sudden onslaught of 'alternative' reality movies like The Matrix, Source Code, Inception, Limitless, etc... and the sudden preponderance of books and movies about zombies isn't some sort of herald or precursor to some sort of widespread 'awakening' by humanity. Thoughts? Ideas? Opinions? Yes, thoughts, ideas, opinion's... Unless the new 3D Transformers can dispel those... Widespread awakening won't be unwrapping zombies anytime soon...
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Post by therealfake on Jun 30, 2011 21:57:47 GMT -5
I mean don't you have to have a concept of 'awakening' to realize that you've awakened...? And does awakening to a 'concept' actually wake you up?
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Post by zendancer on Jun 30, 2011 22:26:34 GMT -5
We can have a conceptual realization. We call these "eureka" experiences in which concepts are seen in a new way, or a new concept arises which incorporates prior concepts into a new context. Alternatively, we can have an embodied realization. We call these "kensho" experiences in which we see and understand the world non-conceptually. It is not necessary to have a concept of freedom to know freedom, or a concept of love to know love, or a concept of truth to know truth. There is mind-knowing and body-knowing and the difference is vast. (What lover needs to have a concept of love to know that she loves her beloved?)
Scientists ponder facts and information that do not seem to make sense. When they have a eureka experience, their new conceptual knowledge does not come from the known. Something deeper than the known sees how the parts of the puzzle are related. Analogously, spiritual seekers ponder facts and information that do not seem to make sense. When they have a kensho experience, they acquire conceptual knowledge only secondarily. Their primary knowing is direct and occurs through the body. They see the world in a new way, but intellectual understanding only comes later, and is not really necessary. It just makes a good story. LOL
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Post by heretic on Jul 1, 2011 10:50:06 GMT -5
Okay, I just read the article. Is this is one of those zombier zombieing the zombie insights?
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Post by cholwa on Jul 5, 2011 12:46:40 GMT -5
We can have a conceptual realization. We call these "eureka" experiences in which concepts are seen in a new way, or a new concept arises which incorporates prior concepts into a new context. Alternatively, we can have an embodied realization. We call these "kensho" experiences in which we see and understand the world non-conceptually. It is not necessary to have a concept of freedom to know freedom, or a concept of love to know love, or a concept of truth to know truth. There is mind-knowing and body-knowing and the difference is vast. (What lover needs to have a concept of love to know that she loves her beloved?) Scientists ponder facts and information that do not seem to make sense. When they have a eureka experience, their new conceptual knowledge does not come from the known. Something deeper than the known sees how the parts of the puzzle are related. Analogously, spiritual seekers ponder facts and information that do not seem to make sense. When they have a kensho experience, they acquire conceptual knowledge only secondarily. Their primary knowing is direct and occurs through the body. They see the world in a new way, but intellectual understanding only comes later, and is not really necessary. It just makes a good story. LOL Wow, this is a great teaching - thx, z
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