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Post by african on Jan 30, 2009 4:27:56 GMT -5
Is this process of having the feeling of being a disembodied being connected to that of astral travel. I mean while in this state of being disembodied can you really travel to some place and "see" what is taking place there. Like I hear that in clairvoyance one is able to travel even to a far away country to see whats happening. I hear also that one can even time travel that is go back into time and consult the Akashic record and "see" what happened in historical times. Is this the the same with what you are talking about and how can one achieve this?
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Post by The Uncreated on Jan 30, 2009 9:45:13 GMT -5
Is this process of having the feeling of being a disembodied being connected to that of astral travel. Astral travel? When one escapes the clutches of time and space, who goes where? Enlightenment solves the nature of motion and movement once and for all. The Indians call the things you speak of siddhis, in other words, psychic powers that some seekers are inclined to seek during their journey. The enlightened are beyond these things. Time is mind. To travel through time is to travel through mind. The serious seeker aims to escape mind altogether. Not by a longshot. There's the New Age and then there's nonduality. If you're serious about resolving into the source of all that is, there's a clear and proper choice between the two. The Uncreated |
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Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 30, 2009 9:54:08 GMT -5
Is this process of having the feeling of being a disembodied being connected to that of astral travel. Astral travel? When one escapes the clutches of time and space, who goes where? Enlightenment solves the nature of motion and movement once and for all. The Indians call the things you speak of siddhis, in other words, psychic powers that some seekers are inclined to seek during their journey. The enlightened are beyond these things. Time is mind. To travel through time is to travel through mind. The serious seeker aims to escape mind altogether. Not by a longshot. There's the New Age and then there's nonduality. If you're serious about resolving into the source of all that is, there's a clear and proper choice between the two. The Uncreated Thanks I knew that someone could say it better than I..well done uncreated. Randji |
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Post by african on Feb 2, 2009 6:37:49 GMT -5
Forgive me elders, I'm still young and learning. But, what is the difference between non-duality and New Age? My idea of non-duality is when one is free from the dualism of likes and dislikes. Am I correct?
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 2, 2009 11:00:15 GMT -5
We're all still learning.... Non-duality is when one is not so much not having likes or dislikes, but when one is not kicked around by those likes and dislikes. The whole thing is a problem of mistaken identity.... New Age is about improving your life. Non-duality is the discover that the person who's life we were trying to improve is just a suggestion, just a concept. There is no separate self. It's a very big difference. Does that make sense to you african? Forgive me elders, I'm still young and learning. But, what is the difference between non-duality and New Age? My idea of non-duality is when one is free from the dualism of likes and dislikes. Am I correct? |
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Post by The Uncreated on Feb 2, 2009 11:07:29 GMT -5
..what is the difference between non-duality and New Age? My idea of non-duality is when one is free from the dualism of likes and dislikes. Am I correct? Free from all opposites. The non-dual state is the state before the first instance of creation, the 'I'. All thoughts converge into it and emerge from it. It is both the beginning and end of knowledge as we know it. The New Age concerns itself with the things the serious traveller considers obstacles; minor irregularities along the path to undifferentiated Reality -- they generally don't represent the culmination of seeking but, where plausible, come out of experiences of those that are pass through major stages in their transformation. A lot of those things happen during the makyo phase of intense meditation; a phase where the mind purges itself of experiences as it becomes increasingly purer -- hallucinations if you will. Those things are the proverbial buddhas you meet along the road. And the directive is to kill them. One also must take new age topics with a healthy dose of salt since it's an area ripe with charlatans and frauds who thrive on the curious ignorance of others. It's rather a runaround set of philosophies that begets more questions than it resolves. However it isn't to say the new age is completely without merit; there may be some abilities the enlightened person gains after the fact; for instance, U.G. Krishnamurti (painful as his experience was) was able to "tune" into the conscious experiences of others as if his awareness was spliced directly into theirs. He would tell of the child who was scolded and beaten by his mother, only to return home and find he had welts on his own back. Having said that, you won't hear of psychic abilities and the like discussed at length in nonduality circles. That kind of talk is distracting and it carries the potential of redirecting one's efforts away from finding the truth in favour of some fleeting mystical experiences. - |
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Post by The Uncreated on Feb 2, 2009 11:14:29 GMT -5
[U.G. Krishnamurti] would tell of the child who was scolded and beaten by his mother, only to return home and find he had welts on his own back. If I may: Feelings are not thoughts, not emotions; you feel for somebody. If somebody hurts himself there, that hurt is felt here – not as a pain, but there is a feeling, you see – you automatically say ‘Ah!’ This actually happened to me when I was staying in a coffee plantation: a mother started beating a child, a little child, you know. She was mad, hopping mad, and she hit the child so hard, the child almost turned blue. And somebody asked me ‘Why did you not interfere and stop her?’ I was standing there – I was so puzzled, you see. ‘Who should I take pity on, the mother or the child?’ – that was my answer – ‘Who is responsible?’ Both were in a ridiculous situation: the mother could not control her anger, and the child was so helpless and innocent. This went on – it was moving from one to the other – and then I found all those things (marks) on my back. So I was also part of that. (I am not saying this just to claim something.) That is possible because consciousness cannot be divided. Anything that is happening there is affecting you – this is affection, you understand? There is no question of your sitting in judgement on anybody; the situation happens to be that, so you are affected by that. You are affected by everything that is happening there.-- U.G. Krishnamurti, The Mystique of Enlightenment, Compiled from [/i] |
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Post by african on Feb 6, 2009 5:18:47 GMT -5
Does that make sense to you african? ...Oh yes it does!!! Thank you very much for kind help. |
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