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Post by sharon on Apr 13, 2011 14:27:31 GMT -5
"Conclusion At one time the word nonduality was essentially unknown to the public. The word belonged to philosophers, scholars in comparative religion, Buddhists, and Hindus. The last ten years have seen the coming together of world teachers and the Internet, the wide dissemination of the teaching of nonduality in a variety of forms, the waking up of many, and the entry of the word nonduality into the spirituality mainstream. A person at any level of understanding should be able to find a definition or description of nonduality that makes sense. However, I haven’t included the most elementary definitions of nonduality, for example, as one young person explained it to her not-so-spiritually-inclined parents, “Beyond good and bad.” The collection of material on the definition of nonduality is still being generated, identified, accumulated, and published. Right now the collection is diverse, accessible, and open to new offerings and commentaries." www.stillnessspeaks.com/nonduality/ |
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Post by bruppy on Apr 13, 2011 22:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by sharon on Apr 14, 2011 1:12:30 GMT -5
Nice one ~
Have just read some of it Bruppy and want to clarify McKenna's directive ... what he wrote was 'Nothing doesn't burn'. It's a subtle difference.
"It appears to be a play of consciousness, a play that I as awareness is able to be aware of." Yes consciouness experiencing itself as Babu.
Consciousness has no form and therefore is not a thing ~ it is pure intelligence experiencing itself as humans, as form, as Life Itself ~ ah I feel playful writing this ~ many thanx love x
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Post by bruppy on Apr 14, 2011 3:19:31 GMT -5
Babu and Jed Mckenna are two different people. Saying two different things, which Babu at some point perhaps assumed Mr Mckenna said.. I like Babu's take. NOTHING CANNOT EXIST. How can it. Nothing is nothing, Perhaps Mckenna was implying that ANA as he calls it, does not burn, is what is left when all that does - burns away. LAYERS as he calls it. Perhaps they are saying something similiar.
As far as the consciousness bit goes, It sounds like you and babu are saying different things.
I find it interesting though. that commitment to find out things for yourself. Obviously words describing what is what, what is left, are also limited. I get the feeling that they are saying something very similar. I also remember Jed in his books, I read them a while back saying that UNION consciousness is powerful, but there is further.
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Post by sharon on Apr 14, 2011 16:47:54 GMT -5
Ok cool. Yes he is very honest, with clear, direct questioning and expression. He has flavours of David Scoma as well ... Yes, I can see what you're saying here ~ "One of the biggest fears I felt amidst this dread, was feeling it, burnt it away, and the fear was about, what is left. WHAT IS LEFT when there is not dread. EMPTINESS. NOTHING. YET there is the awareness of this nothingness." So what is aware of nothingness? The choice arises whether to call it awareness or nothing yeah? So what is it really happening in these experiences? There is that which is aware, though without the quality of 'ness'ness about it, perhaps? Awareness seems to have an expansiveness to it in my language. So 'nothing' makes a much cleaner cut. A shut down of neural activity to see clearly what is functioning the organism as a whole. It's clear that awareness is not functioning the organism, how can it, it can only be aware, yeah? Yes ~ It's clear that much of McKenna's work was his own journey through what was flammable. What aspects of religiousity could be set on fire? And what could be burnt time and time again, though could still be seen as cleanly and clearly as though it was the first? His understanding of complete trust made a lot of sense to me. Yes it seems so. The burning of these layers is coming from within and is a real energy force. Tears, our natural flow balancing itself back again ... ok ~ Always, it has been clear here that I couldn't take on too much of what other people say in these enquiries, as my own way of processing direct teachings, has taken a few years to fully emotionally accept. The collecting of opinions is the mind creating a new layer, that must also be seen to have flown. Yes ~ There's just This  Though feed on what makes sense for you. Yes McKenna described them as rides in the fairground, which sounded like a good way of describing them. A bite of the apple is a gentle return to functioning relativity. The processing and language of these boundary dissolutions are unique to each individual. Our own cultural context we could say. The 'psychology of grace' was heard the other day. Though as it wasn't a phrase from this body, it's use will have a limited reference. |
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Post by bruppy on Apr 14, 2011 23:25:35 GMT -5
Yes, I dare say its hard to discuss, nothing/awareness of nothing. I just thought about it and did the maths. If nothing does not, cannot exist, then it is awareness that is left. I think Edji is saying something similiar. BEYOND.
I have not heard of David Schoma, but I am pretty sure that there are a number of people who have taken this seriously, courageously and honestly.
As for me, I feel I have been honest with this, and I am no longer struggling with trying to sort this out. I feel that this process has begun, and I am learning what to do with this situation some. I am no longer about controlling my feeling and thought, and even if such thinking arises, which of late it has not. What that means, i do not know, but I am pleased to be able to discuss, chat about these things.
Yes Jed certainly describes things well, I feel.
Hey thanks for the response and being able to share these things Sharon.
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Post by bruppy on Apr 14, 2011 23:45:09 GMT -5
Hey, thankyou, just what he needed to read. haha, I looked up David, and found a very cool exchange, where he discussed those dark dark nights. I understand that, as Ive had about 8 of them. Everything is perfect. Thats the grace part id say Sharon. Looking back now.
YOu take care.
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Post by sharon on Apr 15, 2011 1:43:33 GMT -5
You're very welcome ~ thank you for your openness.
Yes I'd agree with you, grace is everywhere and everything.
I will i promise, and YOu.
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Post by bruppy on Apr 15, 2011 6:19:24 GMT -5
Hey Sharon, Feel like rambling to ya, you okay with that. hahahha. Ive had doors closing in every possible way. the way i see it, is Ive been going down a road, a known road, and the universe doesn't want me to. hahhaahaah. I never loose my keys, and today, I lost them in the supermarket. A week ago, I got one cut, and you know what I did, I put it on my key ring, the same one. I had no spare key. My mobile phone stopped working. Nothing has been flowing and I'm starting to see why. hahahahaha. Edji I remembered a topic, although I have only ever seen one of his talks well he mentioned the C word, Consciousness is a harsh mistress. hahahha. Absolutely. I haven't known what to do with this thing, but thats BALONEY, what has come through has been for me to not know for abit, let the path unfold, and Ive been resisting and obstacles, doors closing shut for the past 2 weeks, very very interesting. I just got to sit and not do a thing for a bit. Not an easy thing at a particular time. anyway, I got my keys back, and I see now, that if I dont do what i know I just need to do, things dont go my way. hahaha. I'm pleased I am seeing it. Hope you dont mind me rambling like this
later.
What ive needed to do, is nothing for abit. Relax into this some, and not KNOW what to do with this. The resistance is, I cannot just sit back, not talk about it, or just sit there and do nothing, and of course the concerns of things is usually much worse than what your concerned of
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2011 7:31:42 GMT -5
hey bruppy, since you opened the ramblin door i thought i'd imbibe too... i had a good key-losing experience yesterday morning. i had just listened to some kickin John Wheeler via urban guru cafe podcast while commuting and working out... he's relentless about focusing on whatever this is that is being aware prior to thought...good stuff! to workout you checkout a lock and key with your card and use it in the locker room and return the lock/key at the end of the session...
Anyway, at some point this mind jumped onto a train of thought about how in order to notice that whatever-is-prior-to-thought one has to not be on autopilot. and so this train included a whole string of cars that were fashioning some interesting post to put up here at ST; and the thought of creating an illustrative example of losing keys popped up and began to be polished. for example, how can a mind that is busy doing other stuff and meanwhile keys are being lost also be awake/aware/noticing whatever is prior to thought....
the absolutely beautiful thing is that i turned my lock/key in at the end of the workout without the lock! just standing there with the key looking foolish. the end. and that train is gone.
much of my so called 'spiritual' experiences these days seems to be about becoming the live butt of another cosmic joke. it's pretty good fun.
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Post by bruppy on Apr 15, 2011 9:14:07 GMT -5
hahaha, yep, another joke at ONES expense, but always with the best for me in mind, it seems. for me its been about NOT BEING SUCH A SELFISH PRICK..;Im serious...Its about me sure, but there are many other people here, and most are frightened as hell and remain constantly thinking and busy to avoid facing it, feeling it, buring it away, and being what is left. If one has done that, doing that, then usually the universe has presented things-so that can somewhat happen. Either a book, a teacher, a something, and I dont feel one can just sit on such a thing and go on as usual, in spite of the show just going on, but........
so anyway, I rocked up and asked at the SUPERMARKET COUNTER. hey, Im the one who lost his keys this moring and spent an hour, on his stomach looking under all the isles of stock, and who had to look up as people passed and said. I LOST MY KEYS, - but quiety to myself, it was. IM NOT HAVING A PHYCOTIC EPISODE at the supermarket, theres a reason why Im lying on the ground hahahhaha. anyway. as I said that, in the corner of my eyes, i noticed my key ring. It was one of the most exciting re-unions I can recall. I have really had any before, but I nearly hugged the poor women behind the counter, I jumped for joy, as I didn't have a spare, and rambled on about, putting the spare key, in a special spot, getting another one cut and giving it to my brother, and Dam it, ILL SWALLOW IT, keep it close. i dont know why i said that, but i shit you not. It was said. So there you go, another key rambling, and in front of about 10 people, it was like I had won the Lottery. I was like a thrilled little kid. But the moral of the story is for me to stop being a selfish little prick. I got to do nothing for abit, but it aint just about me......
Ramblings good Mr maxprophet, and I for one am totally open to it
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Post by bruppy on Apr 15, 2011 9:17:35 GMT -5
Hey that post was sensored for the MANURE word. COOL. sorry about that. thing about rambling is, I dont usually sensor. GOOD to just let it roll.
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Post by sharon on Apr 15, 2011 10:57:12 GMT -5
Cool reads Often when I lose things now I just ask for them back. It's a mini process in that whatever can't be found must exist somewhere, so ... ask where it is, be still and relax ... Thought wants to find it yes and so it will go through the practicalities of where said item could possibly be and when those options have logically been exhausted, then asking is done. The relaxing is the space for wherever the item is, to be revealed ... attention will be guided to it. The joy is still the same and yes the gratitude shows itself in whichever way feels best at the time. |
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