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Post by michaelsees on Mar 26, 2011 14:32:50 GMT -5
Master Edji
Master Rajiv
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Post by K Grey on Mar 27, 2011 2:28:14 GMT -5
"It all has to go", as the first video says of beliefs, is itself a belief.
What never was "real" has to go nowhere/has nowhere to go. Cannot be attached to. Whatever appears to be, it is only appearance. No need for disappearance. Such negation can bring conceptual focus, point out conceptual errors, but such activity still muddies the water. Do not even seek clarity, simply feel the wetness directly.
Just this. All of this, as it is. Not this minus that. Nothing to do, only to see.
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 27, 2011 11:11:14 GMT -5
Isn't Advaita about oneness? I ask because I'm unclear about it. If that is the case, however, wouldn't a 'true teacher' be upset with you for calling them 'true teachers'? If it isn't the case, disregard. Not at all there are so few authentic teachers of Advaita as it is. Michael |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 27, 2011 12:03:00 GMT -5
It's hard to see the truth when "True Advaita" is blocking one's vision. LOL
Empty suchness in all directions. Not emptiness. Not suchness. Simply what the words point to. Nothing to teach, nothing to learn, nothing to clear up, nothing to do, nothing happening.
"Haven't you recognized by now that its the same old fellow?"
"Today, walking along,
I meet him everywhere I turn.
He is the same as me,
but I am not him."
A bird sings out a single note. "When it fades, we fade."
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 27, 2011 13:29:38 GMT -5
Well ZD if you spent some time with Edji you would see how he teaches.
Not that you would need it but most are not as lets say developed as you.
Edji takes no BS, you go to him with concepts such as this forum is filled with and he will just tell you to come back when you are ready to drop everything and do the work that is needed to wake up and attend the actual.
IT took you 34 years you need to be at least as patient with all the newbies here.
Words do no good here, experience coming from honest effort of going within is what counts anything less then you are only fooling people imo.
Michael
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Post by sharon on Mar 27, 2011 14:05:49 GMT -5
Some vague interpretations to amuse myself ... You haven't met Edji and I have ~ ner ner ne ner ner Don't forget the them and us mentality now will you. This is what he said to me, though instead of fully listening and acknowledging, I have to use it back outwardly at someone else Again I have to assign a them, separation. Feel free to interpret this one any which way you like  |
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 27, 2011 14:18:44 GMT -5
Oh Sharon little pumpkin that you are. I forgot to tell you. I have put you on my iggy list so unless you just like to spit and post to no one you need not respond anymore. I just thought you should know this so carry on maybe someone else needs to hear you whine. Now your back on the iggy..
Michael
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Post by zendancer on Mar 27, 2011 15:19:38 GMT -5
Michael: You keep mentioning 34 years. This idea that someone "worked" for 34 years to get something is sheer nonsense. It is this kind of thinking that will prevent the obvious from being seen for a thousand years. There was no non-duality forum when this body/mind first began searching for the truth. It spent 20 years thinking and reading because it didn't know what else to do. That was necessary in this case because that's what happened. There were no clear-eyed non-duality teachers available during those years to tell me that thinking and reading would not lead to the truth. Today, however, is today.
Five months after starting to meditate, this body/mind entered a state of oneness and realized that reality was not what it had previously imagined. Habits of mind and a lifetime of conditioning prevented the further realization that oneness is all there ever is, so this bag of bones wandered around for another 13 years trying various strategies and thinking it had to somehow duplicate that initial experience of oneness in order to hold onto oneness. Ha ha. Good luck with that idea!
At that point, mysteriously (perhaps because it was seen that every strategy had totally failed), there was a realization that oneness must be here and now, and attention became intensely focused upon the actual. Nine months later THIS realized that THIS is all there is. THIS realized that ordinary everyday life is oneness-in-action and that who THIS previously thought it was was imaginary.
If I had to ascribe a reason for writing on this forum (when there really isn't one) it is to tell people that no amount of work, effort, or understanding will get them any closer to what they already are, so this idea of "putting in the necessary time and effort" in order to get the message of "true Advaita" is nothing more than a distracting idea. When you drink a cup of tea, that's IT. What you taste is IT. What you smell and see is IT. THIS is all there is. There is nothing to understand. There is nothing else. THIS is what IS.
So, please don't perpetuate the idea that 34 years of effort is necessary to realize the truth. That's not a helpful idea, and someone might believe it.
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Post by K Grey on Mar 27, 2011 15:35:06 GMT -5
No teachings are "authentic" or "true". What nonsense this "True Advaita"? Why add this? With even superficial conceptual understanding you will let Edji go too. He's not wrong, his style is just too Edji.  Take two to play these games, when even one is one too many. No one can win. Advaita attempts the impossible, teaching nothing. This is not hidden. Seeing the irony/futility (nothing to do, no need for questions/answers) for yourself is the only thing that can undo the trap and wake you up to what always is. NeoAdvaitists seem to miss the obvious and get stuck in nothing, or worse in endless Satsang listening to others. Nihilism support groups with tea and cookies after. Not sure what's served up with Zazen these days. Stick upside the head is hard to beat. Nothing wrong with any of it, unless you think anything is right in any of it. |
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 27, 2011 15:44:50 GMT -5
Ok ZD but those were your exact words. That it took you 34 years and that's why you can't be quiet about it. Anyhow ZD it takes time maybe not 34 years but normally years and you have written as much many times here I am not just making this up. You even put some kind of formula here a few times about what it takes as far putting in time and seeing the actual.
My only point is this it takes effort and I feel it's a big disservice to anyone if someone tells them it does not. The problem you had with no teachers is the same today but today even worst there are too many teachers that are not awaken, that think they are because they got the concepts and they are teaching. at least when you began you were not mislead as today.
There are still very few authentic Advaita teachers as there were in your time. Now as far as the cute coffee shop non duality teachings yeah lots more of those with the same old pointers good luck there.
Though you are not a real teacher ZD you are one that I feel has awaken quite a lot and overall I do have respect for your postings. Edji is another Advaita teacher that is really a master once he lets you in. Mooji is another but they are few and far in between.
Also to realize the truth is a ongoing thing it just does not stop someday and that's it. Awakenings deepen and 34 years is not that bad to truly awaken. Today most people that say Ok I got it really quick are only awakening ontop of concepts they have little if any idea what it means to embodied the truth. Why do I say this well because I have listened to them. That's all you need to do to see that there whole spiritual world is built with nothing but concepts.
You can get all that in a weekend course!
Ok I will make sure I do not use 34 again, or 13 years, or the formula you gave as a average, lets face it ZD this is not the kind of stuff you can average off.
But there is true Advaita and real Advaita masters it might be distracting from some here that want to make waking up like a magic trick but it's not distracting from true students that know one needs to put in effort, one needs to sink and sink deeply into the actual and this takes effort and time.
nuff said
Michael
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 27, 2011 16:01:25 GMT -5
No teachings are "authentic" or "true". What nonsense this "True Advaita"? Why add this? With even superficial conceptual understanding you will let Edji go too. He's not wrong, his style is just too Edji. Take two to play these games, when even one is one too many. No one can win. Advaita attempts the impossible, teaching nothing. This is not hidden. Seeing the irony/futility (nothing to do, no need for questions/answers) for yourself is the only thing that can undo the trap and wake you up to what always is. NeoAdvaitists seem to miss the obvious and get stuck in nothing, or worse in endless Satsang listening to others. Nihilism support groups with tea and cookies after. Not sure what's served up with Zazen these days. Stick upside the head is hard to beat. Nothing wrong with any of it, unless you think anything is right in any of it. Nope not even close but that's ok the intellect will not let you pass I understand been there myself. The truth is very few here if any including myself has studied under one of the real schools of Vedenta Advaita. How do I know this easy they cannot tolerate this instant neo-advaita game and do not post on forums like this. As for myself I have very elastic legs one foot on real Advaita and the other on neo-advaita and hope to pop out a book from the middle. Michael |
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Post by klaus on Mar 27, 2011 21:39:00 GMT -5
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho!
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 27, 2011 21:48:21 GMT -5
Why does this always have to turn into a debate? We were just trying to say, "Hey, you've got some weirdness going on here." You seem to have a lot of weirdness going on with many of the things you say, and so people comment on it to help you see that weirdness. It always turns into, "No, you're full of it. All that weirdness you see is just you playing mind games and contributing nothing." Christ, I'm sorry I ever even responded to this thread in the first place. Won't make that mistake again. Why? Why don't you read first before you fly off the handle like you always seem to do. If I post that there are authentic teachers of Advaita and another members posts no such thing as Authentic there will be a debate from my side you don't like it don't read it. Your questions on why sounds very non intelligent more like whining..like why do you need to whine all the time? Please no need to answer Michael |
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Post by klaus on Mar 27, 2011 22:07:13 GMT -5
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Post by mamza on Mar 27, 2011 22:10:46 GMT -5
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