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Post by mrsnacks on Jan 11, 2009 0:51:33 GMT -5
I have learned that what I have believed and what I have been taught for years - has been error. Not totally, but I should say I have a higher perspective or perception of reality. That is probably a better way of putting it. And life has been a process of unlearning and learning. Mostly unlearning.
So to get to place of living in the kingdom of God as some will say where this no stress, doubt, fear, negative thinking, but peace , love and joy has become my quest. I am a seeker of truth. What is unseen is really what is real. What is seen is temporal. An illusion. So why does the seen seem so real. We know that things will not make us happy but we still pursue the material. The ego is so powerful and doesn't want to die. It wants to rule and be fed. It wants attention. So the battle is an internal ongoing battle.
Even the happiness that the world offers is temporal. And we pursue success. And when we attain it we want more. We can't have enough. We want marriage in hopes that we can get happiness, but the high divorce shows us that something is wrong. One cannot make you happy. Look at Hollywood. even the most beautiful women or most handsome men get divorced. And marriage can be a very lonely place to be. we are constantly being bombarded with thoughts that are destructive and are enemy. The past and future thoughts in an attempt to cause us to fear and doubt. This is hell down here to many people. I am grateful that for the first time in my life I am beginning to grasp how to really live. How that I don't have to embrace and believe thoughts that come into my mind. How to live in the present moment. Coming to being aware. It all seems so surreal.
So are we here to learn that the illusion is not real ? Why the illusion in the first place ? Seems like a game. A cruel game. But I accept it whatever it is. Somethings we can't figure out right ?
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Post by lightmystic on Jan 11, 2009 12:48:22 GMT -5
My experience has been that literally all suffering comes from resistance. These resistances have been there our whole life and come from underlying, deeply ingrained emotional assumptions that, while often very logical, are not actually true. It's an acceptance of what's going on by discovering the ways that this lack of acceptance has already been going on, so that it can be allowed to be felt and then to subside. So, in all earnestness, I would ask you: 1. Who is it exactly that is trying to get this particular result? If you would oblige me, I would enjoy hearing in detail. And when I say "who" I don't mean the particulars of your life as an individual. Where is this idea of separate person coming from? When you think of the word "me" and think of yourself, what is that image really? It's a tricky point perhaps, but do you see what the question is? 2. Why do "you" want this thing? This is also a serious question, because the answer matters a lot I think. It doesn't mater what the answer is, only that it's honest and willing to be looked at carefully. Because, without addressing these points, the whole idea of illusion and real cannot even be properly examined, as it seems that there are far too many assumptions in the way for it to make sense. That, of course, is not meant to be a judgment, just part of the natural process of your Awakening. Does that make sense? I have learned that what I have believed and what I have been taught for years - has been error. Not totally, but I should say I have a higher perspective or perception of reality. That is probably a better way of putting it. And life has been a process of unlearning and learning. Mostly unlearning. So to get to place of living in the kingdom of God as some will say where this no stress, doubt, fear, negative thinking, but peace , love and joy has become my quest. I am a seeker of truth. What is unseen is really what is real. What is seen is temporal. An illusion. So why does the seen seem so real. We know that things will not make us happy but we still pursue the material. The ego is so powerful and doesn't want to die. It wants to rule and be fed. It wants attention. So the battle is an internal ongoing battle. Even the happiness that the world offers is temporal. And we pursue success. And when we attain it we want more. We can't have enough. We want marriage in hopes that we can get happiness, but the high divorce shows us that something is wrong. One cannot make you happy. Look at Hollywood. even the most beautiful women or most handsome men get divorced. And marriage can be a very lonely place to be. we are constantly being bombarded with thoughts that are destructive and are enemy. The past and future thoughts in an attempt to cause us to fear and doubt. This is hell down here to many people. I am grateful that for the first time in my life I am beginning to grasp how to really live. How that I don't have to embrace and believe thoughts that come into my mind. How to live in the present moment. Coming to being aware. It all seems so surreal. So are we here to learn that the illusion is not real ? Why the illusion in the first place ? Seems like a game. A cruel game. But I accept it whatever it is. Somethings we can't figure out right ? |
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Post by eputkonen on Jan 17, 2009 13:53:33 GMT -5
Why does the illusion seem so real? Because we accept the world that we see as real. When we are dreaming, we do not doubt the reality of the world we are in either...although it is just a dream and a creation of your own mind. Sometimes we get caught up in the movies we see and they have us crying or fearful...why? Because we get caught up in the world we are being shown and take it as real (to a certain degree on some levels).
So are we here to learn that the illusion is not real? Yes and no. We enjoy our dreams, and so sometimes we are there just to enjoy the experience. For some, part of the dream is about trying to wake up from the dream.
Why the illusion in the first place? Because we desired it. That is why we dream and daydream and fantacize...it is fun.
Seems like a game. A cruel game. - it is a game...a dream...an illusion, but it is not cruel at all. It is only can seem cruel when you still think it is being done to you and you are not the cause of it.
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Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 17, 2009 14:38:38 GMT -5
I have learned that what I have believed and what I have been taught for years - has been error. Not totally, but I should say I have a higher perspective or perception of reality. That is probably a better way of putting it. And life has been a process of unlearning and learning. Mostly unlearning. So to get to place of living in the kingdom of God as some will say where this no stress, doubt, fear, negative thinking, but peace , love and joy has become my quest. I am a seeker of truth. What is unseen is really what is real. What is seen is temporal. An illusion. So why does the seen seem so real. We know that things will not make us happy but we still pursue the material. The ego is so powerful and doesn't want to die. It wants to rule and be fed. It wants attention. So the battle is an internal ongoing battle. Even the happiness that the world offers is temporal. And we pursue success. And when we attain it we want more. We can't have enough. We want marriage in hopes that we can get happiness, but the high divorce shows us that something is wrong. One cannot make you happy. Look at Hollywood. even the most beautiful women or most handsome men get divorced. And marriage can be a very lonely place to be. we are constantly being bombarded with thoughts that are destructive and are enemy. The past and future thoughts in an attempt to cause us to fear and doubt. This is hell down here to many people. I am grateful that for the first time in my life I am beginning to grasp how to really live. How that I don't have to embrace and believe thoughts that come into my mind. How to live in the present moment. Coming to being aware. It all seems so surreal. So are we here to learn that the illusion is not real ? Why the illusion in the first place ? Seems like a game. A cruel game. But I accept it whatever it is. Somethings we can't figure out right ? Hi Mr. Snacks, The 2 other replies here seem to answer your question faitly well. I would only add for you not to be concerned at all what is real or unreal because that game will seem endless and non productive. So whenever your in a situation that seems unfair, painful, suffering etc then bring all of that into the present moment and see if you can find the pain or suffering in the present moment. If you look as hard as you can and as deep as you can into the present moment when you feel suffering,pain or whatever you will be rewarded sooner or later. What do I mean in being rewarded well pain, suffering etc come up to us as a window or door to awakening. Nothing that I know works as well as pain or suffering as being the actuals keys that will unlock the mystery of who you are. So never look at what seems to be cruel, unfair, suffering as anything negative as a matter of fact it is one of the most positive things that can happen to a person. So thank God that we have pain and suffering etc because without this it would be much more diffcult to realize the truth. I hope this makes some sense. Randyji |
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Post by misc on Jan 17, 2009 16:49:39 GMT -5
I think you are asking a more metaphysical question, which I may expertise in. You want to know, why the illusion of world at all? Before the universe there was emptiness, that mystical empty source created the universe for the appearance of duality, so that existence could know itself. The universe is becoming self-aware, so: No-thingness- Thingness or I- No- I, Nothing= Perfection, awareness aware of itself. This is why the world seems like a game, it is a game. More of a divine comedy or play actually. I have learned that what I have believed and what I have been taught for years - has been error. Not totally, but I should say I have a higher perspective or perception of reality. That is probably a better way of putting it. And life has been a process of unlearning and learning. Mostly unlearning. So to get to place of living in the kingdom of God as some will say where this no stress, doubt, fear, negative thinking, but peace , love and joy has become my quest. I am a seeker of truth. What is unseen is really what is real. What is seen is temporal. An illusion. So why does the seen seem so real. We know that things will not make us happy but we still pursue the material. The ego is so powerful and doesn't want to die. It wants to rule and be fed. It wants attention. So the battle is an internal ongoing battle. Even the happiness that the world offers is temporal. And we pursue success. And when we attain it we want more. We can't have enough. We want marriage in hopes that we can get happiness, but the high divorce shows us that something is wrong. One cannot make you happy. Look at Hollywood. even the most beautiful women or most handsome men get divorced. And marriage can be a very lonely place to be. we are constantly being bombarded with thoughts that are destructive and are enemy. The past and future thoughts in an attempt to cause us to fear and doubt. This is hell down here to many people. I am grateful that for the first time in my life I am beginning to grasp how to really live. How that I don't have to embrace and believe thoughts that come into my mind. How to live in the present moment. Coming to being aware. It all seems so surreal. So are we here to learn that the illusion is not real ? Why the illusion in the first place ? Seems like a game. A cruel game. But I accept it whatever it is. Somethings we can't figure out right ? |
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Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 17, 2009 17:17:40 GMT -5
I think you are asking a more metaphysical question, which I may expertise in. You want to know, why the illusion of world at all? Before the universe there was emptiness, that mystical empty source created the universe for the appearance of duality, so that existence could know itself. The universe is becoming self-aware, so: No-thingness- Thingness or I- No- I, Nothing= Perfection, awareness aware of itself. This is why the world seems like a game, it is a game. More of a divine comedy or play actually. Interesting the universe becoming self aware? I very much doubt such a thing could ever happen. I do agree it is a game but the game can never know its creator. The creator who is really who you are is the Oneness to realize the Oness that you are a step out of the universe is needed. Or take a look at it this way if it was true that the universe was becoming self aware then you would think you would see the earth becoming more of a heven than a hell but the opposite is really the more they become worst. War, fammine, diseases etc would all solved themselves if man left them alone. But because of man and the ego things will and become worst as time moves on. So no the universe cannot know itself in that sense but in the sense of who you are which is not part of the universe in that sense you certainly can. Yes it is a game but a game cannot knowitself. The other thing is never belive what I say is true it just IS. cheers Randyji |
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Post by misc on Jan 18, 2009 0:13:19 GMT -5
What do you think this whole spiritual awakening is? Of course their is still violence, hence BECOMING self-aware. It is not self-aware yet, rather it is self-aware, but we don't recognize it so it is safe to say in a way it is becoming self-aware. When one person becomes self-aware it affects many, when the earth is totally self-aware their can be a 'New Earth'. If the universe were not intelligent, you would be only mechanical and their would be no universe or even thoughts or consciousness especially to this degree. It is laughable that you say the universe is not a self-aware entity. Where does the intelligence to create a tree or the universe itself come from? Awareness, which is what we are trying to do. Awareness, and oneness like you say. Their is no separation, so you say who you are is oneness and becoming oneness is stepping out, then your saying theirs something separate from the one? and the one isn't aware? huh.. Quantum mechanics shows that the universe is self-aware. Check out Amit Goswami's 'the self-aware universe'. I think you are asking a more metaphysical question, which I may expertise in. You want to know, why the illusion of world at all? Before the universe there was emptiness, that mystical empty source created the universe for the appearance of duality, so that existence could know itself. The universe is becoming self-aware, so: No-thingness- Thingness or I- No- I, Nothing= Perfection, awareness aware of itself. This is why the world seems like a game, it is a game. More of a divine comedy or play actually. Interesting the universe becoming self aware? I very much doubt such a thing could ever happen. I do agree it is a game but the game can never know its creator. The creator who is really who you are is the Oneness to realize the Oness that you are a step out of the universe is needed. Or take a look at it this way if it was true that the universe was becoming self aware then you would think you would see the earth becoming more of a heven than a hell but the opposite is really the more they become worst. War, fammine, diseases etc would all solved themselves if man left them alone. But because of man and the ego things will and become worst as time moves on. So no the universe cannot know itself in that sense but in the sense of who you are which is not part of the universe in that sense you certainly can. Yes it is a game but a game cannot knowitself. The other thing is never belive what I say is true it just IS. cheers Randyji |
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Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 18, 2009 9:48:35 GMT -5
What do you think this whole spiritual awakening is? Of course their is still violence, hence BECOMING self-aware. It is not self-aware yet, rather it is self-aware, but we don't recognize it so it is safe to say in a way it is becoming self-aware. When one person becomes self-aware it affects many, when the earth is totally self-aware their can be a 'New Earth'. If the universe were not intelligent, you would be only mechanical and their would be no universe or even thoughts or consciousness especially to this degree. It is laughable that you say the universe is not a self-aware entity. Where does the intelligence to create a tree or the universe itself come from? Awareness, which is what we are trying to do. Awareness, and oneness like you say. Their is no separation, so you say who you are is oneness and becoming oneness is stepping out, then your saying theirs something separate from the one? and the one isn't aware? huh.. Quantum mechanics shows that the universe is self-aware. Check out Amit Goswami's 'the self-aware universe'. [/quote] Hi Misc, Actually you missunderstood what I was saying. What you see as the Universe and point to it becoming self aware is all a dream. I know Amirt and his wife who by the way is smarter than Amirt and more spiritual in my opinion. Look there is no such thing as spiritual evloution it is a bunch of crap as well as metaphysics . Your talking junk science. I will not debate this with you except to say if you hang on to such beliefs because that is what they are you will only push your self farther away from awaking, enlightenment or whatever you want to call it. The truth of all this is that nothing at all has changed nor can anything changed you simply have the Awareness who is really you and then you have tis game or dream that is not you. Now if you stay in the belief that the not you part can know the you because it is a natural event that is moving that way well if you take this path you will stay in the dark so to speak. Awakening really is a state of remembering who you are. It has nothing at all to do with the dream. Ok enough said you meaning anyone and everyone can not beging to understand what I am saying unless a real awakening happens. Now awakening is the most simple event there is but you need to give up who you think you are to have it. The mind which is the dream is conditioned to pull you away from this truth and to stay in the dream. Peace Randyji |
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Post by misc on Jan 18, 2009 16:51:29 GMT -5
You are silly, you are not awakened first of all. Seems like you are a bundle of other peoples thoughts about awakening and such as well. The mind has its place, if their was no mind there would be no enlightenment. It is emptiness- I - and back again. I have lived this, I don't care about who Amirti is or who is 'spiritually smarter' that is part of the dream to you see. You can hardly put together a sentence or spell, what gives you the ability to talk authoritatively? Why even argue with me, go back to your so called Ananda you live in. If you are not awakened, then? Neti neti neti. What do you think this whole spiritual awakening is? Of course their is still violence, hence BECOMING self-aware. It is not self-aware yet, rather it is self-aware, but we don't recognize it so it is safe to say in a way it is becoming self-aware. When one person becomes self-aware it affects many, when the earth is totally self-aware their can be a 'New Earth'. If the universe were not intelligent, you would be only mechanical and their would be no universe or even thoughts or consciousness especially to this degree. It is laughable that you say the universe is not a self-aware entity. Where does the intelligence to create a tree or the universe itself come from? Awareness, which is what we are trying to do. Awareness, and oneness like you say. Their is no separation, so you say who you are is oneness and becoming oneness is stepping out, then your saying theirs something separate from the one? and the one isn't aware? huh.. Quantum mechanics shows that the universe is self-aware. Check out Amit Goswami's 'the self-aware universe'. Hi Misc, Actually you missunderstood what I was saying. What you see as the Universe and point to it becoming self aware is all a dream. I know Amirt and his wife who by the way is smarter than Amirt and more spiritual in my opinion. Look there is no such thing as spiritual evloution it is a bunch of crap as well as metaphysics . Your talking junk science. I will not debate this with you except to say if you hang on to such beliefs because that is what they are you will only push your self farther away from awaking, enlightenment or whatever you want to call it. The truth of all this is that nothing at all has changed nor can anything changed you simply have the Awareness who is really you and then you have tis game or dream that is not you. Now if you stay in the belief that the not you part can know the you because it is a natural event that is moving that way well if you take this path you will stay in the dark so to speak. Awakening really is a state of remembering who you are. It has nothing at all to do with the dream. Ok enough said you meaning anyone and everyone can not beging to understand what I am saying unless a real awakening happens. Now awakening is the most simple event there is but you need to give up who you think you are to have it. The mind which is the dream is conditioned to pull you away from this truth and to stay in the dream. Peace Randyji[/quote] |
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Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 18, 2009 17:30:29 GMT -5
You are silly, you are not awakened first of all. Seems like you are a bundle of other peoples thoughts about awakening and such as well. The mind has its place, if their was no mind there would be no enlightenment. It is emptiness- I - and back again. I have lived this, I don't care about who Amirti is or who is 'spiritually smarter' that is part of the dream to you see. You can hardly put together a sentence or spell, what gives you the ability to talk authoritatively? Why even argue with me, go back to your so called Ananda you live in. If you are not awakened, then? Neti neti neti. ******* Dear one OK that is quite fine with me. You seem very angry with the need to be right. Well OK you are right but does that make you feel any better about yourself? You see you are still in bondage with you mind. You will not find what your looking for there or by using your mind to put down what you do not agree with. I feel sad for you because I see that you really are trap inside your own prison. what I offer you is a way out if you want it. Just stop for the moment and see when your in the present moment if you find a need to be right, if you find any anger or anything that is not OK. Now if you have done this being very honest you would find that in the present moment everything is always fine. Now the present moment is you, it is all there really is and is that not better than what you think you are when you stay in your mind? So that is your way out and if you take it you will find that the anger issues that you have will also be gone. So why not just do it! On a different note I would be the first to admit my spelling and grammar sucks but such have never been needed for awakening if it has there a quite a few folks that would be really surprised including Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj to be in company of these guys is a wonderful blessing! So take care of yourself and get out of your mind, you will then find peace, you have my word on that. Peace Randyji |
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