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Post by enigma on Apr 2, 2020 12:05:01 GMT -5
Ego can never separate what is ultimately indivisible, but it can lead some people to think otherwise. Anyone suffering from a conventional sense of form-based identity is engaged in an act of self-deception. Which seems to me to be most people. It is creating a miraculous expression via Jesus, Ramanujan. Said that, do you really think it is getting confused via certain individuals? Yes, because God, or whatever you want to call it these days, has fallen into his own dream.
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Post by enigma on Apr 2, 2020 11:37:06 GMT -5
darn straight God wants to be ignorant! Doesn't it behave all ignorant? Thing pisses me off sometimes! Perhaps he is wearing a mask to have the human experience, so "ignorant" may be the part of the game. God doesn't want something, isn't playing a game. This is where I usually say there is no God because you want to turn Consciousness into a person who plays masquerades.
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Post by enigma on Apr 2, 2020 10:58:17 GMT -5
From a LOA perspective, trying to make personal decisions based on statistics of others is classic loserthink because what happens to someone else has nothing to do with you. You cannot create in their reality and they cannot create in your reality - unless (!) you make their reality your own personal business and vice versa. Then you are linked together and depending on the degree that happens you will have similar/identical experiences. And that, unfortunately, is usually the case. So, no mater how 'scientifically/mathematically' accurate these statistics come across, these are just models, meaning what they predict, on an average/collective level, may prove quite accurate, but on an individual level, basically anything goes because in the end it is always the individual who decides where he/she allows it to go or not to go (be that consciously or unconsciously). So don't lose your minds over these numbers. Make your own statistics instead as they relate specifically to you and your family. There is no your reality and their reality. There is no such separation exist. We are not co-creating here. Everything moves as one. Unique experiences (or the appearance of such) don't imply separation.
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Post by enigma on Mar 20, 2020 20:03:56 GMT -5
I am suspicious of how difficult this all appears to be. When I feel lost (almost always), or sometimes miserable, and I sit in silence to look/wait for an answer, it seems the doors are closed. This does not fit with this idea that the “Universe” (or whatever you want to call it) wants to wake up or know the the truth. Years ago I thought I was getting "help" from someplace higher/deeper. Not so sure anymore. The thread subject: Does “God” get something from ignorance? I mean, does it want to remain lost? I'm thinking out loud again... When ignorance is cleared up, it will become apparent -- and this is not something you can ever understand by thinking about it -- that there never was any ignorance! God was never lost. There clearly is ignorance (you're trying to correct that right now) and God clearly is lost (fell into his own dream) and this forum is an attempt to help find the way home.
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Post by enigma on Feb 17, 2020 10:43:22 GMT -5
I share your sentiment. At the core of it is the ideal of free speech, which is only an ideal and is never actually attained. So then it becomes an issue of what sort of community one wants to encourage with the inevitable restrictions. The most obvious restriction here is that this is a spiritual forum and topics such as knitting are not really welcome here. The next level of restriction is that it is 'primarily a non-duality forum'. A lady was gently turned away recently because her spiritual experience she wanted to relate lacked the non-duality connotations. Perhaps she was confused by the plethora of 'approved' spiritual experiences. The same sort of reaction happens when various religious topics are brought to the community. There are also behavioral restrictions relating to 'common decency' as in any community. I don't really have a problem with restricting membership to this particular club as described above because it aligns with my particular interests quite well, but this is where I part company, both literally and figuratively, from this community as it is defined now. Disagreement that goes on too long is ended, disrupted or relegated to a particular corner of the room. While we all have our own thresholds of tolerance since the quality of discussion can suffer terribly, disagreement is the foundation of lively discussion, and this format allows for those not interested to simply not participate, as I have generally opted to do with increasing frequency. I've called this forum home for about 15 years, and while I don't personally have much of an issue with being branded a "too much free time club member" and regularly sent to a corner where I won't bother anyone, and occasionally banned, there are many other intelligent posters who have been ostracized in the same way, and this does not bode well for any community, much less a spiritual community. I wonder, is that really the sort of community you want to encourage? I am sensing a very strong expectation in you to turn the flow of this events, Are you agreeing with me? I'm pretty sure we don't even agree on the definition of the word 'expectation'.
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Post by enigma on Feb 15, 2020 16:15:42 GMT -5
Well, we're not really discussing anyone's ability to just accept 'what is', which applies to the politicians as well. The point was simply that the more harshly members are treated, the more hesitation. o.k., well I'm not going to disagree with you or try to convince you that your perceptions are somehow distorted. That would be safest.
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Post by enigma on Feb 15, 2020 15:47:43 GMT -5
Dear "too much free time club member". You're right about the 'new faces', at least to some extent, but seeing how some have been treated here, perhaps there is hesitation? Perhaps, sure, but on the flip side I think there will always be hesitation and the politics of any group are always going to be sort of a filter. I can understand negative feelings about getting caught up in the mesh, but then again, ultimately, as in all of life, what happens, happens, and whatever the current filter eventually drips out is simply gonna' be what it is. .. Frog juice! Well, we're not really discussing anyone's ability to just accept 'what is', which applies to the politicians as well. The point was simply that the more harshly members are treated, the more hesitation.
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Post by enigma on Feb 15, 2020 15:18:38 GMT -5
I share your sentiment. At the core of it is the ideal of free speech, which is only an ideal and is never actually attained. So then it becomes an issue of what sort of community one wants to encourage with the inevitable restrictions. The most obvious restriction here is that this is a spiritual forum and topics such as knitting are not really welcome here. The next level of restriction is that it is 'primarily a non-duality forum'. A lady was gently turned away recently because her spiritual experience we wanted to relate lacked the non-duality connotations. Perhaps she was confused by the plethora of 'approved' spiritual experiences. The same sort of reaction happens when various religious topics are brought to the community. There are also behavioral restrictions relating to 'common decency' as in any community. I don't really have a problem with restricting membership to this particular club as described above because it aligns with my particular interests quite well, but this is where I part company, both literally and figuratively, from this community as it is defined now. Disagreement that goes on too long is ended, disrupted or relegated to a particular corner of the room. While we all have our own thresholds of tolerance since the quality of discussion can suffer terribly, disagreement is the foundation of lively discussion, and this format allows for those not interested to simply not participate, as I have generally opted to do with increasing frequency. I've called this forum home for about 15 years, and while I don't personally have much of an issue with being branded a "too much free time club member" and regularly sent to corner where I won't bother anyone, and occasionally banned, there are many other intelligent posters who have been ostracized in the same way, and this does not bode well for any community, much less a spiritual community. I wonder, is that really the sort of community you want to encourage? Yes, well expressed. I guess we had to explore a more restricted community, but at this point we are barely even a community. Perhaps a 'warts n'all' community is better than no community. Well, yeah. There's a cost to free speech involving lots of 'warts', but the alternative is far more costly, and subtle, and takes it's toll on a fundamental level of community.
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Post by enigma on Feb 15, 2020 13:49:03 GMT -5
sounds like a fun life change, but in regard to the forum, I kind of feel we've taken a decent path as far as it will go, and now there's nowhere really to take it. As you say it's been a nice break, but perhaps all breaks have to end....it's just my sense of it obviously. Thing is, if you really miss shootin' it with the old gang, well, you know where to find some of them, anyways. What used to happen in the ban/drama cycles of yesteryear is that new faces would emerge during the lulls, so, who knows what might manifest into the space created by the quiet? Now, that said, out of nostalgia, here: you are a bliss-bunny hyperminder who's never kensho'd or SR'd and you're fooling yourself with all that new-age drivel about ascension. Zork! Dear "too much free time club member". You're right about the 'new faces', at least to some extent, but seeing how some have been treated here, perhaps there is hesitation?
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Post by enigma on Feb 15, 2020 13:44:54 GMT -5
I think the calmness and lack of input is a rather nice break. I figure that people will post when they have something they think is worth sharing. Perhaps my atittude is a result of recently moving out a big city back to a small town where we lived for many years, and as a consequence, our social life is now 1000% busier than before. It was a bit like returning to "Mayberry," the fictional small town popularized by an old TV show, where everyone knows everyone. In the big city we never saw anyone we knew when we went to restaurants or various businesses, but now we see old friends everywhere, and conversations are endless. If this keeps up, I may need to go on a silent retreat! haha. Life is change. sounds like a fun life change, but in regard to the forum, I kind of feel we've taken a decent path as far as it will go, and now there's nowhere really to take it. As you say it's been a nice break, but perhaps all breaks have to end....it's just my sense of it obviously. I would agree with you but I don't really feel free to for fear of being labeled a 'tag team member' or straying into the area of discussing moderator decisions. So I won't.
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Post by enigma on Feb 15, 2020 13:41:03 GMT -5
I'm in a strange mood today. Satch commented that the forum was like a front porch. And you know what? Front porches are cool. But right now we're not even a front porch. While I have actually appreciated the relative calmness of the forum (and therefore the moderation) in the last couple of years, I also kind of think we've gone too far, or perhaps I'm just ready for a change. Personally, I'd like to see a bustling chatty front porch, which means dropping the bannings. Perhaps also old friends would also then drop by for a chat sometimes...Tzu, Quinn, Maxp, Beingist.....I miss Question too. I guess I would like to see a fresh start...'old sins forgiven'....we could still divide up the threads e.g a solipsist discussion thread for Gopal etc still unresolved question! Anyway. Perhaps it's just my strange mood. But I believe a 'freer' environment (within reason obviously) would be good Thoughts? I think the calmness and lack of input is a rather nice break. I figure that people will post when they have something they think is worth sharing. Perhaps my atittude is a result of recently moving out a big city back to a small town where we lived for many years, and as a consequence, our social life is now 1000% busier than before. It was a bit like returning to "Mayberry," the fictional small town popularized by an old TV show, where everyone knows everyone. In the big city we never saw anyone we knew when we went to restaurants or various businesses, but now we see old friends everywhere, and conversations are endless. If this keeps up, I may need to go on a silent retreat! haha. Life is change. I can safely say that is NOT the case.
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Post by enigma on Feb 15, 2020 13:34:05 GMT -5
I'm in a strange mood today. Satch commented that the forum was like a front porch. And you know what? Front porches are cool. But right now we're not even a front porch. While I have actually appreciated the relative calmness of the forum (and therefore the moderation) in the last couple of years, I also kind of think we've gone too far, or perhaps I'm just ready for a change. Personally, I'd like to see a bustling chatty front porch, which means dropping the bannings. Perhaps also old friends would also then drop by for a chat sometimes...Tzu, Quinn, Maxp, Beingist.....I miss Question too. I guess I would like to see a fresh start...'old sins forgiven'....we could still divide up the threads e.g a solipsist discussion thread for Gopal etc still unresolved question! Anyway. Perhaps it's just my strange mood. But I believe a 'freer' environment (within reason obviously) would be good Thoughts? I share your sentiment. At the core of it is the ideal of free speech, which is only an ideal and is never actually attained. So then it becomes an issue of what sort of community one wants to encourage with the inevitable restrictions. The most obvious restriction here is that this is a spiritual forum and topics such as knitting are not really welcome here. The next level of restriction is that it is 'primarily a non-duality forum'. A lady was gently turned away recently because her spiritual experience she wanted to relate lacked the non-duality connotations. Perhaps she was confused by the plethora of 'approved' spiritual experiences. The same sort of reaction happens when various religious topics are brought to the community. There are also behavioral restrictions relating to 'common decency' as in any community. I don't really have a problem with restricting membership to this particular club as described above because it aligns with my particular interests quite well, but this is where I part company, both literally and figuratively, from this community as it is defined now. Disagreement that goes on too long is ended, disrupted or relegated to a particular corner of the room. While we all have our own thresholds of tolerance since the quality of discussion can suffer terribly, disagreement is the foundation of lively discussion, and this format allows for those not interested to simply not participate, as I have generally opted to do with increasing frequency. I've called this forum home for about 15 years, and while I don't personally have much of an issue with being branded a "too much free time club member" and regularly sent to a corner where I won't bother anyone, and occasionally banned, there are many other intelligent posters who have been ostracized in the same way, and this does not bode well for any community, much less a spiritual community. I wonder, is that really the sort of community you want to encourage?
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Post by enigma on Jan 28, 2020 13:08:48 GMT -5
Did you get the feeling they were speaking about you? No, but there was a froggish resonance to their speech. Might have been possessed by evil amphibians. Seems like the most likely scenario, given Occam's razor and all.
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Post by enigma on Jan 28, 2020 12:34:24 GMT -5
Did you get the feeling they were speaking about you? I was into this Holy Spirit Seminar held for three days. It was the final day of reckoning. We participant's of the Oasis of Love batch 27 gathered together more than three hundred of us inside the Chapel. There were ceremonies taken before the main event. Finally, after praying the Lord's prayer Our Father we were told to close our eyes lift our hands above our heads and to begin speaking in tongues continuously until we became oblivious to what's happening around us. As I was speaking aloud "Aleluja.. Shalala.. Aleluja.. Shalala!" I heard at my back giggling sounds and laughter. Distracted, I stopped speaking in tongues , turned around and asked the giggling lady why she was laughing . She told me when she closed her eyes a vision of her husband appeared before her jumping out of the window after she caught him with a naked woman inside their bedroom. So you were encouraged to speak random gibberish as a sort of mantra to put you in an altered state?
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Post by enigma on Jan 27, 2020 23:23:00 GMT -5
I'll raise you a southern babtist evangelical speaking-in-tongues level intensity I was in a Pentecostal service where everyone started speaking in tongues except me. I've a twitch from it to this day. So traumatized I almost peed mysef. It wasn't so much the babbling, but the writhing that got to me. Somebody like Laughy though, a little twisted, would have dug it. Probably start going through folks wallets and such.I was just freaked. Couldn't figure out what to do with myself, run or just sit and sweat out the weirdness. I'm embarrased to say I ran. Do you folks get a hangover afterwards? Do you remember what you did or said? Does it make any sense to you, In your head, while you're speaking in tongues? Can you rotate your head 360 degrees? Did you get the feeling they were speaking about you?
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