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Post by tenka on Dec 25, 2019 5:52:15 GMT -5
Merry Christmas to all! In the day of Christmas, we have to know the truth that this is not the day Jesus born. Only two gospel account records Jesus birth, one is pointing at the time of Herod 4th BC and another one pointing at censes that's 6th AD both are pointing at 10 years apart. So nobody knows the date, this date was fixed later. Merry xmas to you to G man . I hope your daughter is not going crazy right now . I am glad my boys are not so young nowadays . Can you imagine how many things need fixing up and putting together with 3 boys running around . In regards to Jesus, I heard through he grapevine that an astrologer mapped out the stars for the time where the 3 wise men spotted the star above Bethlehem and it would of been in late October when Jesus was born in this instance .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 6:57:44 GMT -5
Merry Christmas to all! In the day of Christmas, we have to know the truth that this is not the day Jesus born. Only two gospel account records Jesus birth, one is pointing at the time of Herod 4th BC and another one pointing at censes that's 6th AD both are pointing at 10 years apart. So nobody knows the date, this date was fixed later. Merry xmas to you to G man . I hope your daughter is not going crazy right now . I am glad my boys are not so young nowadays . Can you imagine how many things need fixing up and putting together with 3 boys running around . In regards to Jesus, I heard through he grapevine that an astrologer mapped out the stars for the time where the 3 wise men spotted the star above Bethlehem and it would of been in late October when Jesus was born in this instance . Marry Christmas Tenka! I definitely can understand how it would be like if three boys are around. To your second paragraph, yours must be a new invention
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 13:26:38 GMT -5
Merry Christmas to all! In the day of Christmas, we have to know the truth that this is not the day Jesus born. Only two gospel account records Jesus birth, one is pointing at the time of Herod 4th BC and another one pointing at censes that's 6th AD both are pointing at 10 years apart. So nobody knows the date, this date was fixed later. This article says March 6BC. I figure Jesus had to have been a Pisces. Which article says about which book?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 25, 2019 15:50:41 GMT -5
This article says March 6BC. I figure Jesus had to have been a Pisces. Which article says about which book? Oh...sorry....forgot to leave link. didyouknow.org/christmas/jesus/
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 23:46:23 GMT -5
That's nice article, thanks.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 26, 2019 0:16:44 GMT -5
That's nice article, thanks. Have you been watching the solar eclipse?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 0:44:13 GMT -5
That's nice article, thanks. Have you been watching the solar eclipse? No I did not. But I am actually asking my friends who are staying outside of Bangalore whether they are watching.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 10:12:13 GMT -5
Well there is a thought of what you are and there is the world perceived . There has to be a reflection present because there are two aspects here that relate to the same thought that I AM love (as an example). This is why if you perceive what you are as love then you will see love in all things .If you can leave out the reflection then be my guest but the mind being a mirror of sorts is actually useful and meaningful .. That is why I asked you about looking in the mirror because you have a thought of yourself in reflection of what is perceived . What is the connection or the association had from the initial I AM thought and what you perceive in the mirror . (try and not be tempted to speak about a baby not seeing it's self in the mirror). . Stick to the original context The bolded is easy for me to understand and agree. I would explain it by saying that the our relationship with ourselves (or experience of ourselves) is the primary relationship (or experience). So our relationship with the world, expresses or reflects that relationship/experience. In a sense, that primary experience filters all other experiences. Yeah.. so Christians that are taught that they were born in Original Sin, see sinners everywhere they look.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 28, 2019 12:02:48 GMT -5
The bolded is easy for me to understand and agree. I would explain it by saying that the our relationship with ourselves (or experience of ourselves) is the primary relationship (or experience). So our relationship with the world, expresses or reflects that relationship/experience. In a sense, that primary experience filters all other experiences. Yeah.. so Christians that are taught that they were born in Original Sin, see sinners everywhere they look. This is kind of an aside, but maybe not. This is how I was raised, the is how most of my family still see the world. Everybody born are born separated from God because of sin inherited all the way back to Adam (and Eve). We are all born in sin and are sinners. Now, I began to doubt this as a teenager, and in my 20's saw this just is not true, can't possibly be true, everybody is born innocent. In my 30's, more or less for curiosity sake, I decided to read the entire Bible looking for original sin. So I learned that the Bible does not teach that we inherit the guilt of Adam (and Eve). So I learned that what I was taught almost every Sunday, as a child and teenager, in church, just is not true, isn't even taught by the Bible. I later learned there is a lot to the story and I was essentially correct. I learned that Judaism does not have the concept of original sin, nor the Celtic Church nor the Eastern Orthodox Church. But yes, to affirm that one's view of the world alters everything we experience, everything we see and think we know. Yes, our view filters everything. Without the truth, it's impossible to be impartial.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 13:40:46 GMT -5
Yeah.. so Christians that are taught that they were born in Original Sin, see sinners everywhere they look. This is kind of an aside, but maybe not. This is how I was raised, the is how most of my family still see the world. Everybody born are born separated from God because of sin inherited all the way back to Adam (and Eve). We are all born in sin and are sinners. Now, I began to doubt this as a teenager, and in my 20's saw this just is not true, can't possibly be true, everybody is born innocent. In my 30's, more or less for curiosity sake, I decided to read the entire Bible looking for original sin. So I learned that the Bible does not teach that we inherit the guilt of Adam (and Eve). So I learned that what I was taught almost every Sunday, as a child and teenager, in church, just is not true, isn't even taught by the Bible. I later learned there is a lot to the story and I was essentially correct. I learned that Judaism does not have the concept of original sin, nor the Celtic Church nor the Eastern Orthodox Church. But yes, to affirm that one's view of the world alters everything we experience, everything we see and think we know. Yes, our view filters everything. Without the truth, it's impossible to be impartial. What ? The entire Bible logic of Jesus crucifixion lies on original sin English Standard Version Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me-Psalm 51:5 Jesus has to be crucified for every single individual if we are all not one soul.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 15:20:24 GMT -5
This is kind of an aside, but maybe not. This is how I was raised, the is how most of my family still see the world. Everybody born are born separated from God because of sin inherited all the way back to Adam (and Eve). We are all born in sin and are sinners. Now, I began to doubt this as a teenager, and in my 20's saw this just is not true, can't possibly be true, everybody is born innocent. In my 30's, more or less for curiosity sake, I decided to read the entire Bible looking for original sin. So I learned that the Bible does not teach that we inherit the guilt of Adam (and Eve). So I learned that what I was taught almost every Sunday, as a child and teenager, in church, just is not true, isn't even taught by the Bible. I later learned there is a lot to the story and I was essentially correct. I learned that Judaism does not have the concept of original sin, nor the Celtic Church nor the Eastern Orthodox Church. But yes, to affirm that one's view of the world alters everything we experience, everything we see and think we know. Yes, our view filters everything. Without the truth, it's impossible to be impartial. What ? The entire Bible logic of Jesus crucifixion lies on original sin English Standard Version Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me- Psalm 51:5 Jesus has to be crucified for every single individual if we are all not one soul. biblehub.com/psalms/51-5.htm
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 28, 2019 20:13:13 GMT -5
This is kind of an aside, but maybe not. This is how I was raised, the is how most of my family still see the world. Everybody born are born separated from God because of sin inherited all the way back to Adam (and Eve). We are all born in sin and are sinners. Now, I began to doubt this as a teenager, and in my 20's saw this just is not true, can't possibly be true, everybody is born innocent. In my 30's, more or less for curiosity sake, I decided to read the entire Bible looking for original sin. So I learned that the Bible does not teach that we inherit the guilt of Adam (and Eve). So I learned that what I was taught almost every Sunday, as a child and teenager, in church, just is not true, isn't even taught by the Bible. I later learned there is a lot to the story and I was essentially correct. I learned that Judaism does not have the concept of original sin, nor the Celtic Church nor the Eastern Orthodox Church. But yes, to affirm that one's view of the world alters everything we experience, everything we see and think we know. Yes, our view filters everything. Without the truth, it's impossible to be impartial. What ? The entire Bible logic of Jesus crucifixion lies on original sin English Standard Version Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me-Psalm 51:5 Jesus has to be crucified for every single individual if we are all not one soul. But Augustine's conception of original sin is flawed. And basically all of Protestant Christianity is built on Augustine's concept, that we are all born spiritually dead because of inherited guilt from Adam (and Eve). We are not born spiritually dead. Psalm 51:5 has zero to do with a baby's sin. One has to knowingly transgress the law, to be a sinner.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 28, 2019 20:32:57 GMT -5
What ? The entire Bible logic of Jesus crucifixion lies on original sin English Standard Version Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me- Psalm 51:5 Jesus has to be crucified for every single individual if we are all not one soul. biblehub.com/psalms/51-5.htmThanks. The versions that say babies are born as sinners cannot be right. As already posted, Judaism does not have Augustine's concept of original sin. See link. www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/judaism-s-rejection-of-original-sin
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 20:50:48 GMT -5
I find it completely disgusting to be honest. In a relative context it's a disgraceful bind on humanity. So the only hope is to switch the context of it, by applying something akin to what Laughter did here.. spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/469248Judaism is older than Christianity so I don't actually see why they need to reject anything that Christianisation did. Though I'll read the link.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 20:59:35 GMT -5
What ? The entire Bible logic of Jesus crucifixion lies on original sin English Standard Version Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me-Psalm 51:5 Jesus has to be crucified for every single individual if we are all not one soul. But Augustine's conception of original sin is flawed. And basically all of Protestant Christianity is built on Augustine's concept, that we are all born spiritually dead because of inherited guilt from Adam (and Eve). We are not born spiritually dead. Psalm 51:5 has zero to do with a baby's sin. One has to knowingly transgress the law, to be a sinner. www.amazon.com/LIGHT-MIND-RONALD-H-NASH/dp/0788099175/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1370915219&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Light+of+the+Mind%3A+St.+Augustine%E2%80%99s+Theory+of+KnowledgeOne of the Reviews is interesting.. "The goal of this book is to explain what Augustine meant about how God is a light of truth that illuminates the human mind as a person evolves in various ways. This gets into questions about how people learn. Plato felt that learning is really remembering ideas that the soul heard about in the spirit world. Augie had a different take on this which is learning involves pulling information from a virtual storehouse of knowledge that exists outside of the individual. For me this relates to the three levels of consciousness which are the conscious, subconscious, and super conscious as defined by Western philosophy. I think the ancient Egyptians had further sub divisions of these. The virtual knowledge warehouse that Augie believed in was perhaps his term for the super conscious which knows the plan that fate prepares for a soul before it enters this physical dimension. I guess this is true for Plato also. This is one of the key points of the book and is not easy to understand. The idea of reincarnation is also tied in with this. Plato and eventually Augustine believed in reincarnation. So past life experiences are another source of knowledge that may surface within an individual. There's a clear differentiation between the soul and the physical body in Plato and Augustine's philosophy. Augie got sidetracked with the Manichees cult in his early years. It's hard to imagine that there was ever a time when Augustine was a follower of a materialistic, skeptical belief system. I would say Augustine was often confused in his early years. There's a progression of philosophical thought that started with Plato and continued with Plotinus and then with Augustine. Nash refers to this often and mentions the doctrine of the forms which Plato viewed as his unique contribution to philosophy. According to the legends Plato traveled to Egypt and experienced the Egyptian initiation rites at some level. That knowledge goes back many thousands of years to Atlantis and to other worlds really. This is sort of a strange book due to the deep and philosophical nature of the subject matter. It's hard for me to know how right Augustine was about certain things since I didn't understand all the statements in the book completely. Nash describes Augustine as some sort of philosophical genius. So it sounds like Augustine is held in high regard in philosophical circles by some people." Jeff Marzano
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