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Post by satchitananda on Dec 15, 2019 22:56:36 GMT -5
If I try and change what is undesirable that has already been pre-determined. You cannot say that deciding not to change anything is in the flow but deciding to change something is not in the flow. How do you know what is in the flow and what is not in the flow? So far today how many decisions have you made? Overall movement of the Cosmos is always in the harmony with everything that happens here. And this overall harmony includes your disharmony as well. The question is why should we find harmony for ourselves? If we don't find harmony, then there will be no unique creation through you.
Trying to change or not change doesn't change the overall harmony.
I cannot find a doer whether I choose to not change something or choose to change something. That is harmony.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:05:18 GMT -5
Overall movement of the Cosmos is always in the harmony with everything that happens here. And this overall harmony includes your disharmony as well. The question is why should we find harmony for ourselves? If we don't find harmony, then there will be no unique creation through you.
Trying to change or not change doesn't change the overall harmony.
I cannot find a doer whether I choose to not change something or choose to change something. That is harmony. But you are expressing the doer out of the illusion. Person who tries the control the anger brings the controller into the being. But that controller born out of the illusion Likewise You as a passive witness expecting other than what it is brings the change maker or doer into the being and he continues to live until you see through the illusion.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 15, 2019 23:06:13 GMT -5
I cannot find a doer whether I choose to not change something or choose to change something. That is harmony. But you are expressing the doer out of the illusion. Person who tries the control the anger brings the controller into the being. But that controller born out of the illusion Likewise You as a passive witness expecting other than what it is brings the change maker or doer into the being and he continues to live until you see through the illusion. How many decisions and choices have you made today?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:07:42 GMT -5
But you are expressing the doer out of the illusion. Person who tries the control the anger brings the controller into the being. But that controller born out of the illusion Likewise You as a passive witness expecting other than what it is brings the change maker or doer into the being and he continues to live until you see through the illusion. How many decisions and choices have you made today? Many. But those are not expecting any change. Can't you really see the difference of what I am point at. You are trying to change something which is not in your control, don't you see that?
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 15, 2019 23:09:33 GMT -5
How many decisions and choices have you made today? Many. But those are not expecting any change. Can't you really see the difference of what I am point at. You are trying to change something which is not in your control, don't you see that? So you have made many? So if you made the choice between one thing as opposed to another you are controlling the direction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:13:40 GMT -5
Many. But those are not expecting any change. Can't you really see the difference of what I am point at. You are trying to change something which is not in your control, don't you see that? So you have made many? So if you made the choice between one thing as opposed to another you are controlling the direction. I am not trying to control anything which is not in my control.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 15, 2019 23:15:28 GMT -5
So you have made many? So if you made the choice between one thing as opposed to another you are controlling the direction. I am not trying to control anything which is not in my control. That is correct. You are not the doer yet decisions and choices appear. There is nothing you can do whether you decide not to change something or you decide to change something. It is beyond your control.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:23:30 GMT -5
I am not trying to control anything which is not in my control. That is correct. You are not the doer yet decisions and choices appear. There is nothing you can do whether you decide not to change something or you decide to change something. It is beyond your control. Nope, now I need your careful attention here. I completely agree everything you do is just appearing to you without your control no matter whatever you do. But when we try to change something that is not in your control we are actually creating the illusion of change maker. I decide to change my head to the right. I decide and then action follows immediately. This is not even a control. This is the flow of one of my many thoughts. You are creating the doer or change maker when you try to change which is not in your control.You may ask me as to what's the problem here. The problem here is, you have given birth to this change maker and this change maker continue to live as long as you believe in this illusion.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 15, 2019 23:28:04 GMT -5
That is correct. You are not the doer yet decisions and choices appear. There is nothing you can do whether you decide not to change something or you decide to change something. It is beyond your control. Nope, now I need your careful attention.I completely agree everything you do is just appearing to you without your control no matter whatever you do. But when we try to change something that is not in your control we are actually creating the illusion of change maker. I decide to change my head to the right. I decide and then action follows immediately. This is not even a control. This is the flow of one of my many thoughts. You are creating the doer or change maker when you try to change which is not in your control.. You may ask me the what's the problem here. The problem here is, you have given birth to this change maker and this change maker continue to live as long as you believe in this illusion. There is no problem here except that you don't seem to be able to comprehend what I'm saying. It doesn't matter whether you change something or not change something or try to control something or not to control something. You are not the doer. Even what you have written here is beyond your control. You are trying to create problems where none exist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:34:45 GMT -5
Nope, now I need your careful attention.I completely agree everything you do is just appearing to you without your control no matter whatever you do. But when we try to change something that is not in your control we are actually creating the illusion of change maker. I decide to change my head to the right. I decide and then action follows immediately. This is not even a control. This is the flow of one of my many thoughts. You are creating the doer or change maker when you try to change which is not in your control.. You may ask me the what's the problem here. The problem here is, you have given birth to this change maker and this change maker continue to live as long as you believe in this illusion. There is no problem here except that you don't seem to be able to comprehend what I'm saying. It doesn't matter whether you change something or not change something or try to control something or not to control something. You are not the doer. Even what you have written here is beyond your control. You are trying to create problems where none exist. I am perfectly understanding what you are saying about the doer. But you are not getting my point here. When I turn to the right instead of left, there is no desire involved to turn right and it simply happens. It doesn't matter even if I turn to the left, there is no longing for something to happen. So this is not control or willingness to change the flow. But in the case of siftingtothetruth, he is wishing to change something which he doesn't like, there is a desire involved from his side to change something which is completely not in his control.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 15, 2019 23:35:52 GMT -5
There is no problem here except that you don't seem to be able to comprehend what I'm saying. It doesn't matter whether you change something or not change something or try to control something or not to control something. You are not the doer. Even what you have written here is beyond your control. You are trying to create problems where none exist. I am perfectly understanding what you are saying about the doer. But you are not getting my point here. When I turn to the right instead of left, there is no desire involved to turn right and it simply happens. It doesn't matter even if I turn to the left, there is no longing for something to happen. So this is not control or willingness to change the flow. But in the case of siftingtothetruth, he is wishing to change something which he doesn't like, there is a desire involved from his side to change something which is completely not in his control. It doesn't matter if you decide to change something or not change something you are not the doer. How much more simple can I make this for you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:38:01 GMT -5
I am perfectly understanding what you are saying about the doer. But you are not getting my point here. When I turn to the right instead of left, there is no desire involved to turn right and it simply happens. It doesn't matter even if I turn to the left, there is no longing for something to happen. So this is not control or willingness to change the flow. But in the case of siftingtothetruth, he is wishing to change something which he doesn't like, there is a desire involved from his side to change something which is completely not in his control. It doesn't matter if you decide to change something or not change something you are not the doer. How much more simple can I make this for you? This is what people who are interested in "how consciousnesses create reality" doesn't sit properly with the people those are interested in mediation.
Anyhow I know you haven't read what I have written above. So I will leave this discussion here.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 15, 2019 23:41:12 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if you decide to change something or not change something you are not the doer. How much more simple can I make this for you? This is what people who are interested in "how consciousnesses create reality" doesn't sit properly with the people those are interested in mediation.
Anyhow I know you haven't read what I have written above. So I will leave this discussion here.
Does that mean you are not in the flow?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 0:35:32 GMT -5
This is what people who are interested in "how consciousnesses create reality" doesn't sit properly with the people those are interested in mediation.
Anyhow I know you haven't read what I have written above. So I will leave this discussion here.
Does that mean you are not in the flow? I am turning my head to the right instead of left.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 0:26:50 GMT -5
Merry Christmas to all! In the day of Christmas, we have to know the truth that this is not the day Jesus born. Only two gospel account records Jesus birth, one is pointing at the time of Herod 4th BC and another one pointing at censes that's 6th AD both are pointing at 10 years apart. So nobody knows the date, this date was fixed later.
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