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Post by satchitananda on Oct 6, 2019 8:55:36 GMT -5
Evidently she thinks you are. I'd keep quiet about it! I am not even sure whether she exist ultimately , Said that, how come I know whether she thinks or not. You know that's all nonsense don't you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 8:56:34 GMT -5
I am not even sure whether she exist ultimately , Said that, how come I know whether she thinks or not. You know that's all nonsense don't you? No, I don't think it's nonsense. I think it's a brilliant observation. I am certain you know what I mean.
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Post by laughter on Oct 6, 2019 9:01:22 GMT -5
Starfish dude. Explain me away the 5-thingy before I read Sumerian texts. Just because Lucy's finger isn't exactly Home Sapien, the fact that her spine is unlike any ape's but more like an H.S. is proof enough for me of the likely relationship -- though of course, I don't own a time machine. Neither do the Anunaki proponents. If you're happy with "channeled" interpretations of ancient texts as supportive of their position, that's fine, but I can certainly understand why they don't accept that in academia. So I did some research into chromosome two and the fusion apparently necessary for its creation. Basically, apes and our predecessors had 24 pairs of chromosomes while humans as we know possess only 23. Chromosome 2 in the human helix was discovered in 1991 to be a fusion between 2 of our assumed predecessors chromosomes. There are a few types of fusion scenarios in living animals. All known fusions involving living animals fall into the fusion of satellite DNA with satellite DNA, or with satellite DNA and telomere DNA. Telomeres are the regions at the end of chromosomes that contain thousands of repeats of the DNA sequence. In the case of chromosome 2, strangely, we see a telomere - telomere fusion. If real, this would be the first documented case ever seen in nature. Which begs the question, what are the causal forces behind this type of fusion? There is some existing debate of the fusion actually is telomere-telomere, but reagardless of the expert, it seems they agree the fusion involved the loss and rearrangement of part of the genetic material. It's also said that a 46 chromosome hominid or species could not mate with a 48 chromosome species. So there is a theory that the fusion acted as a prevention mechanism against humans breeding with apes, and of course a theory that a more intelligent being intervened. With intervention theory, you do have some supporting evidence even in the bible, where it is said, There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The first mention of "sons of God" in the Hebrew Bible occurs at Genesis 6:1–4
So, for those who believe in Darwinian evolution, there is an obvious need to explain chromosome 2 fusion. Well, that's really is a fascinating fact about the fusion, thanks for illuminating it. Yes, I agree, that is something that begs explanation, and my guess is that it's likely an active area of research. But the alien intervention theory is at least as speculative as natural selection, and a reference to giants in the bible isn't anything that I find personally all that correlative or convincing enough to turn my interest in that direction. To the extent you might have meant that as tounge-in-cheek, I offer a wry grin. For all you really know, there's an ancient pre-Homo-Sapien hominid civilization that advanced to the point where they could splice DNA. Perhaps they evolved naturally, got to that point, did the deed, but were forgotten along the way because of various intervening cataclysm. Sumerian might be the first writing that we're aware of from the mainstream academia, but there's an intense chauvinistic bias in that consensus with many different influences. My personal suspicion is that the civilizations centered in China are probably at least a few thousand years older than the ones in the Middle East. Have you heard about Göbekli Tepe? As the technology for identifying likely archeological sites and pre-excavating them improves, the bias against counter-factual evidence will start to matter less and less. The narrative for the spread of Western civilization is that it started in the fertile crescent, but look up the fiasco that is the Roman calendar, and, bonus that we're coming up on Halloween, compare it to what the people in Northern Europe knew about the movements of the Sun and the Moon thousands of years prior to the Romans. My personal bias is to imagine that the chromosome fusion happened naturally, but when it comes to a bias like that, all one need do is to be conscious of it to be free of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 9:08:13 GMT -5
Yes. I mean "nonduality." So you're not sure if I exist but yet you're talking to me, hoping that at some point I'll agree with you. I talk to my imaginary friends as well, BTW. Not sure doesn't imply that you are imaginary, there is a possibility that you may be real. Exactly. It's important to know the difference between imaginary friends and real ones. I know, my heart knows, my son is real. Just as your heart knows, as you've said, that E speaks the truth. BTW, for the most part I agree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 9:12:32 GMT -5
Not sure doesn't imply that you are imaginary, there is a possibility that you may be real. Exactly. It's important to know the difference between imaginary friends and real ones. I know, my heart knows, my son is real. Just as your heart knows, as you've said, that E speaks the truth. BTW, for the most part I agree with you. You cant know your son is real. Since everything we have in our perception, we don't have any way to KNOW.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 9:16:28 GMT -5
Crazy not in the psychotic, strangle the kittens, kind of way, but crazy in that there is incredible beauty mixed together with unimagnable horror. I understand but how can disprove them ? They say personal God rules the world. How di you disprove them? They are pointing at someone who proclaimed himself to be son of Supreme Father and did all the miracle in the name of him. Simple, the fruit of their tree has more than a few maggots.
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Post by laughter on Oct 6, 2019 9:22:31 GMT -5
Don't you get tired of saying stuff like "the world is inside me." All this ND palavering. ''Please, don't talk to me about 'Pure Awareness' or 'Dwelling in the Absolute'. I want to see how you treat your partner, your kids, your parents, your friends, your precious body. Please, don't lecture me about 'the illusion of the separate self' or how you achieved permanent bliss in just 7 days. I want to feel a genuine warmth radiating from your heart.I want to hear how well you listen, take in information that doesn't fit your personal philosophy. I want to see how you deal with people who disagree with you. Don't tell me how awakened you are, how free you are from ego. I want to know you beneath the words. I want to know what you're like when troubles befall you. If you can fully allow your pain and not pretend to be invulnerable. If you can feel your anger yet not step into violence. If you can grant safe passage to your sorrow yet not be its slave. If you can feel your shame and not shame others: If you can x up, and admit it. If you can say 'sorry', and really mean it. If you can be fully human in your glorious divinity. Don't talk to me about your spirituality, friend. I'm really not that interested. I only want to meet YOU. Know your precious heart. Know the beautiful human struggling for the light. Before 'the spiritual one'. Before all the clever words.'' - Jeff Foster I get Jeff's sentiment here, and I see the virtue in it. But there's also a self-contradictory tone that is both underlying the words and also very clear and out front in it's expression. On one hand, he's suggesting a higher standard for one's inner-state, but his stated disinterest about the spirituality of his straw man sounds to me quite a bit like contempt. One one hand, he wants to feel a genuine warmth from the other's heart, but in the next breath, he sneers at that other's "clever words". The conditioned nature of our lives is precisely what obscures the absolute boundless being that is common to every person, and it's not virtue or a warm heart or charitable actions that is the wellspring of our humanity, but, instead, the simple, subtle and universal fact of that commonality. What Jeff left out of his list was how he orients himself to those who he feels in opposition to, and in his poetry, he most certainly defines that opposition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 9:22:38 GMT -5
Exactly. It's important to know the difference between imaginary friends and real ones. I know, my heart knows, my son is real. Just as your heart knows, as you've said, that E speaks the truth. BTW, for the most part I agree with you. You cant know your son is real. Since everything we have in our perception, we don't have any way to KNOW. How does your heart "know" E speaks the truth?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 9:25:55 GMT -5
''Please, don't talk to me about 'Pure Awareness' or 'Dwelling in the Absolute'. I want to see how you treat your partner, your kids, your parents, your friends, your precious body. Please, don't lecture me about 'the illusion of the separate self' or how you achieved permanent bliss in just 7 days. I want to feel a genuine warmth radiating from your heart.I want to hear how well you listen, take in information that doesn't fit your personal philosophy. I want to see how you deal with people who disagree with you. Don't tell me how awakened you are, how free you are from ego. I want to know you beneath the words. I want to know what you're like when troubles befall you. If you can fully allow your pain and not pretend to be invulnerable. If you can feel your anger yet not step into violence. If you can grant safe passage to your sorrow yet not be its slave. If you can feel your shame and not shame others: If you can x up, and admit it. If you can say 'sorry', and really mean it. If you can be fully human in your glorious divinity. Don't talk to me about your spirituality, friend. I'm really not that interested. I only want to meet YOU. Know your precious heart. Know the beautiful human struggling for the light. Before 'the spiritual one'. Before all the clever words.'' - Jeff Foster I get Jeff's sentiment here, and I see the virtue in it. But there's also a self-contradictory tone that is both underlying the words and also very clear and out front in it's expression. On one hand, he's suggesting a higher standard for one's inner-state, but his stated disinterest about the spirituality of his straw man sounds to me quite a bit like contempt. One one hand, he wants to feel a genuine warmth from the other's heart, but in the next breath, he sneers at that other's "clever words". The conditioned nature of our lives is precisely what obscures the absolute boundless being that is common to every person, and it's not virtue or a warm heart or charitable actions that is the wellspring of our humanity, but, instead, the simple, subtle and universal fact of that commonality. What Jeff left out of his list was how he orients himself to those who he feels in opposition to, and in his poetry, he most certainly defines that opposition. Brilliant, you caught me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 9:27:42 GMT -5
You cant know your son is real. Since everything we have in our perception, we don't have any way to KNOW. How does your heart "know" E speaks the truth? Because I know happy defines unhappy and unhappy defines happy. He says the same. That's why I know he speaks the truth. When he says God has fallen into the dream , I wouldn't agree with him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 9:32:04 GMT -5
How does your heart "know" E speaks the truth? Because I know happy defines unhappy and unhappy defines happy. He says the same. That's why I know he speaks the truth. When he says God has fallen into the dream , I wouldn't agree with him. How does your "heart" know? How do you know things with your "heart"?
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Post by andrew on Oct 6, 2019 9:32:48 GMT -5
Who cares? I'll bet you're more concerned about the welfare of your lovely new daughter. I love her, I love the way she walks and I love the way she talks. But ultimately I don't know whether she is a self aware being. That's not loving 'her' though. After all, you could program a robot to walk and talk like she does. When we love an 'individual' it is the ineffability of that individuality that we love. We can list 1000 things we love about that individual, but it still won't capture what it is we love about that individual. Your daughter is real.
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Post by andrew on Oct 6, 2019 9:34:26 GMT -5
Exactly. It's important to know the difference between imaginary friends and real ones. I know, my heart knows, my son is real. Just as your heart knows, as you've said, that E speaks the truth. BTW, for the most part I agree with you. You cant know your son is real. Since everything we have in our perception, we don't have any way to KNOW. There's no inside without an outside. Either there's both, or neither.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 9:35:57 GMT -5
Because I know happy defines unhappy and unhappy defines happy. He says the same. That's why I know he speaks the truth. When he says God has fallen into the dream , I wouldn't agree with him. How does your "heart" know? How do you know things with your "heart"? you can know directly the truth that happy defines unhappy and unhappy defines the happy. But unfortunately you can't know whether other one is real. You don't have any way
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 9:35:59 GMT -5
Because I know happy defines unhappy and unhappy defines happy. He says the same. That's why I know he speaks the truth. When he says God has fallen into the dream , I wouldn't agree with him. How does your "heart" know? How do you know things with your "heart"? In other words you know things with your heart often before logic shows you how and sometimes logic can't, it falls short. But yet you know.
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