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Post by justlikeyou on Jan 11, 2020 22:52:47 GMT -5
You don't care to know yourself? Hmmm. What kind of friend to mankind are you? I know already friend. Is that so.
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Post by satchitananda on Jan 11, 2020 22:55:08 GMT -5
K: you need to have your own thread. Just testing the waters, ZD 😊 Please continue with you thread. There's a lot of useful knowledge there from the Bhagavad-Gita and other sources. I know you are primarily a Bhakti (devotion to God) but you seem to be embracing Jana approach more with what you have quoted on nonduality.
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Post by satchitananda on Jan 11, 2020 22:56:55 GMT -5
And that would be your ego coming to that conclusion right? So, you're refusing to agree to disagree then? We can agree to disagree. No problem. You put your point of view. I put my point of view. End of story.
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 11, 2020 23:26:16 GMT -5
Just testing the waters, ZD 😊 Please continue with you thread. There's a lot of useful knowledge there from the Bhagavad-Gita and other sources. I know you are primarily a Bhakti (devotion to God) but you seem to be embracing Jana approach more with what you have quoted on nonduality. Yes, I'm into Devotional & Speculative yoga. Yet I'm also practicing Catholicism. I'm a grand knight of the Knights of Columbus 5308 Mabolo Council. I associate with Catholic priests,go to Church, receive Holy Communion. When I pray the Holy Rosary. Each bead I pray is accompanied with Hare Krsna, Hail Mary and Our Father. 😔
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Post by laughter on Jan 12, 2020 0:22:52 GMT -5
As we don't have a meeting of the minds on the topics of false self or existential illusion there's no interesting dialog between us here other than an agreement to disagree. And that would be your ego coming to that conclusion right? Ok, I'll take that as a "yes, I am refusing to agree to disagree". That's fine, another opportunity is likely to present itself without too much additional dialog. Engagement with ego, even to the extent of naming it as such, can't ever happen without the creation of it, that much is true, yes. But, notice that the interest in that point is, at best, an interest in the topic of infinite regress, and at worst, an unconscious slip into a particular infinite regress of the same thought, over and over. It's an extreme example of how trains of thought work, as they were described here: most thoughts are the result of applying attention to an interest about some previous thought. In software parlance, it's recursive. It's also just happens to be a concise abstract model for the dynamics of the false sense of personal, material "I". What can be noticed about an infinite regress such as this is that it's simply mindless repetition, just a runaway machine. In contrast, true insight into the nature of ego comes with a genuinely quiescent mind.
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Post by laughter on Jan 12, 2020 0:24:02 GMT -5
Please continue with you thread. There's a lot of useful knowledge there from the Bhagavad-Gita and other sources. I know you are primarily a Bhakti (devotion to God) but you seem to be embracing Jana approach more with what you have quoted on nonduality. Yes, I'm into Devotional & Speculative yoga. Yet I'm also practicing Catholicism. I'm a grand knight of the Knights of Columbus 5308 Mabolo Council. I associate with Catholic priests,go to Church, receive Holy Communion. When I pray the Holy Rosary. Each bead I pray is accompanied with Hare Krsna, Hail Mary and Our Father. 😔 Have you ever done a sustained and intense meditation practice?
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Post by satchitananda on Jan 12, 2020 0:29:15 GMT -5
It's also just happens to be a concise abstract model for the dynamics of the false sense of personal, material "I". So now it's you as well as sdp and reefs who are referring to the false sense of I. The sense of I is no more false than the wave is false rising from the ocean.
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Post by laughter on Jan 12, 2020 0:36:43 GMT -5
It's also just happens to be a concise abstract model for the dynamics of the false sense of personal, material "I". So now it's you as well as sdp and reefs who are referring to the false sense of I. The sense of I is no more false than the wave is false rising from the ocean. We've been over this topic more than once in the past. The only potential there is the agreement to disagree.
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Post by satchitananda on Jan 12, 2020 0:36:48 GMT -5
Ok, I'll take that as a "yes, I am refusing to agree to disagree" Is this a new technique? I would abandon it because it will make you look foolish if you go around trying to get contractual agreements with people to agree to disagree with you all the time. 😀
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Post by laughter on Jan 12, 2020 0:42:06 GMT -5
Ok, I'll take that as a "yes, I am refusing to agree to disagree" Is this a new technique? I would abandon it because it will make you look foolish if you go around trying to get contractual agreements with people to agree to disagree with you all the time. 😀 No, the sane, human adult response to someone who disagrees with you and isn't open to altering their perspective, but continues to try to re-initiate the dialog is to, at first, offer to agree to disagree.
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 12, 2020 0:42:26 GMT -5
Yes, I'm into Devotional & Speculative yoga. Yet I'm also practicing Catholicism. I'm a grand knight of the Knights of Columbus 5308 Mabolo Council. I associate with Catholic priests,go to Church, receive Holy Communion. When I pray the Holy Rosary. Each bead I pray is accompanied with Hare Krsna, Hail Mary and Our Father. 😔 Have you ever done a sustained and intense meditation practice? Yes, when I was into weed. I got stoned every day. Even in med school. I was always smiling and laughing during our class in psychiatry. I find our teacher funny. In microbiology and parasitology. When I view the organisms in the microscope, I thought they were stars, galaxies in the universe. I no longer wonder why recreational weed is legal in the US. 😁
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Post by laughter on Jan 12, 2020 0:46:51 GMT -5
Have you ever done a sustained and intense meditation practice? Yes, when I was into weed. I got stoned every day. Even in med school. I was always smiling and laughing during our class in psychiatry. I find our teacher funny. In microbiology and parasitology. When I view the organisms in the microscope, I thought they were stars, galaxies in the universe. I no longer wonder why recreational weed is legal in the US. 😁 Oh, ok, not exactly what I had in mind, but thanks for the reply.
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Post by satchitananda on Jan 12, 2020 0:48:55 GMT -5
Is this a new technique? I would abandon it because it will make you look foolish if you go around trying to get contractual agreements with people to agree to disagree with you all the time. 😀 No, the sane, human adult response to someone who disagrees with you and isn't open to altering their perspective, but continues to try to re-initiate the dialog is to, at first, offer to agree to disagree. The course of a discussion by sane people is not determined by one participant in the discussion proclaiming that someone else with an alternate point of view must now acquiesce and agree to disagree and say no more.
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Post by laughter on Jan 12, 2020 0:55:52 GMT -5
No, the sane, human adult response to someone who disagrees with you and isn't open to altering their perspective, but continues to try to re-initiate the dialog is to, at first, offer to agree to disagree. The course of a discussion by sane people is not determined by one participant in the discussion proclaiming that someone else with an alternate point of view must now acquiesce and agree to disagree and say no more. Do you think an agreement to disagree is to agree to silence yourself while the other guy keeps speaking to you about the same topic? Why initiate a dialog on a topic you've already had before unless you're open to changing your mind about the prior disagreement? What is the point of that?
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Post by satchitananda on Jan 12, 2020 1:04:44 GMT -5
The course of a discussion by sane people is not determined by one participant in the discussion proclaiming that someone else with an alternate point of view must now acquiesce and agree to disagree and say no more. Do you think an agreement to disagree is to agree to silence yourself while the other guy keeps speaking to you about the same topic? Why initiate a dialog on a topic you've already had before unless you're open to changing your mind about the prior disagreement? What is the point of that? Why should I change my point of view. To please you? If you know something or believe something to be true you would adhere to that position. You would continue having similar discussions along the same sort of lines while adhering to the same belief, using discussion and argument to explain and persuade. What are you talking about? Everyone is speaking about the same topics here year after year. Should they stop now? Why do you want me to change my mind. On what basis do you argue that I should change my mind? If I know something and believe something to be true you are suggesting I change my mind to simply go along with your arguments. Is that what you mean? This is nonsense!
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