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Post by zendancer on Feb 25, 2019 10:49:30 GMT -5
Correct; I simply have no interest in them. The body/mind sees what's happening here and now, and it responds. No questions, not much thinking, and usually happy as a clam. haha At one time I had lots of existential questions, all of which were based on cognitive misconceptions. After seeing through the misconceptions (illusions), I could relax and be an ordinary person. This body/mind has lots of interests, and it pursues those interests pretty much like the brick mason who exhibited brick-laying samadhi. The only difference is that at the end of the day I don't reflect about anything that's been accomplished. Then you do admit that ignoring Seth info and A-H info is a completely subjective-ZD decision?, not objective. (ZD chooses to appreciate Mooji etc but not Seth/A-H). ZD is choosing what to listen-to and what to ignore. So ZD is the "yardstick". (If Seth and A-H are completely imaginary then any evidence for higher dimensions is eliminated. Your nice neat paradigm/life is maintained). Sorry, but you don't appear to see what's being pointed to. Subjective? Objective? Chooses? Higher dimensions? This is all mind-generated stuff that's as sticky as Brer Rabbit's tar baby. Those who keep touching the tar baby will find it hard to get free.
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Post by enigma on Feb 25, 2019 10:57:44 GMT -5
The unmanifest, by definition, would not be a something existing somewhere, yes? Some_____. Yes. Some nothing, nowhere.
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 25, 2019 13:25:11 GMT -5
The unmanifest can manifest when you win the lottery, when you get an Ace and a Jack in a card game Black Jack, the number you bet on Roulette manifests, baby manifests after 10 months from a newly wed couple. Nah, that's not what I'm talking about. That's the closest I could get to describing what's manifesting from the unmanifest.
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 25, 2019 15:38:38 GMT -5
That's the closest I could get to describing what's manifesting from the unmanifest. I can't buy that excuse to be honest. You've already written about this subject just 3 days ago.. spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/448743Honestly, too, I did not know what I wrote earlier is the topic.
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 25, 2019 17:02:33 GMT -5
Honestly, too, I did not know what I wrote earlier is the topic. Yes, I can imagine that. There was this person whom I knew well in the past which I wasn't able to see again. I lost the person's cell phone number. Well there was this mall I frequented. I would come inside this net cafe and log into the Internet. I would spend a few moments there. This person whom I knew was also there in the mall looking for something. As I was leaving and going to the basement where my car was parked I suddenly bumped into this person. We were both surprised. The next thing I knew we shared some pleasantries inside a snack bar. After that meeting, I got hold of the person's cell phone number knowing in the future we get to meet again in some other place.
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 25, 2019 18:38:06 GMT -5
There was this person whom I knew well in the past which I wasn't able to see again. I lost the person's cell phone number. Well there was this mall I frequented. I would come inside this net cafe and log into the Internet. I would spend a few moments there. This person whom I knew was also there in the mall looking for something. As I was leaving and going to the basement where my car was parked I suddenly bumped into this person. We were both surprised. The next thing I knew we shared some pleasantries inside a snack bar. After that meeting, I got hold of the person's cell phone number knowing in the future we get to meet again in some other place. Yeah. That's cool. There are those with minds that are free of distraction and noise that will get a mental glimpse of a friend before such a meeting. They don't change their path because of the memory of their friend. And they are just as pleased to see their friend as you two were. You don't know that you will meet your friend in your future, though you now have a stronger hope that you can. That's exactly what I feel for you. Though it isn't physical like that of my friend.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 25, 2019 19:46:29 GMT -5
The unmanifest is not nothing.
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Post by enigma on Feb 25, 2019 19:48:50 GMT -5
The unmanifest is not nothing. It's not a thing that can be defined and located somewhere as you implied by your question to ZD.
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Post by Reefs on Feb 26, 2019 10:36:40 GMT -5
Correct; I simply have no interest in them. The body/mind sees what's happening here and now, and it responds. No questions, not much thinking, and usually happy as a clam. haha At one time I had lots of existential questions, all of which were based on cognitive misconceptions. After seeing through the misconceptions (illusions), I could relax and be an ordinary person. This body/mind has lots of interests, and it pursues those interests pretty much like the brick mason who exhibited brick-laying samadhi. The only difference is that at the end of the day I don't reflect about anything that's been accomplished. Then you do admit that ignoring Seth info and A-H info is a completely subjective-ZD decision?, not objective. (ZD chooses to appreciate Mooji etc but not Seth/A-H). ZD is choosing what to listen-to and what to ignore. So ZD is the "yardstick". (If Seth and A-H are completely imaginary then any evidence for higher dimensions is eliminated. Your nice neat paradigm/life is maintained). What do you think ZD is missing when he keeps ignoring the Seth/A-H stuff? You seem to be trying to relate two unrelated things here. Non-duality is about seeing into the nature of experience or reality. The channeling and higher dimensions stuff is just about expanding experience or exploring reality. In that sense, non-duality is about depth of view, the channeling/higher dimensions stuff is about breadth of view. They are not related. You can have that in-depth view in any so-called 'dimension'. And no matter how broad your view in terms of dimensions, you can still be missing that in-depth view. Showing that was the whole point of introducing the Seth and A-H stuff to the forum. Seth used to compare the different 'dimensions' (or realms of experience) to different countries. Some like to travel far, some prefer to stay where they are. Seth, Jane, Abraham and Esther like to travel far. ZD obviously likes to stay where he is. And that's fine. It's just a matter of personal preference. As long as he doesn't insist that there are no other countries, I don't see the issue.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 26, 2019 13:08:49 GMT -5
Then you do admit that ignoring Seth info and A-H info is a completely subjective-ZD decision?, not objective. (ZD chooses to appreciate Mooji etc but not Seth/A-H). ZD is choosing what to listen-to and what to ignore. So ZD is the "yardstick". (If Seth and A-H are completely imaginary then any evidence for higher dimensions is eliminated. Your nice neat paradigm/life is maintained). What do you think ZD is missing when he keeps ignoring the Seth/A-H stuff? You seem to be trying to relate two unrelated things here. Non-duality is about seeing into the nature of experience or reality. The channeling and higher dimensions stuff is just about expanding experience or exploring reality. In that sense, non-duality is about depth of view, the channeling/higher dimensions stuff is about breadth of view. They are not related. You can have that in-depth view in any so-called 'dimension'. And no matter how broad your view in terms of dimensions, you can still be missing that in-depth view. Showing that was the whole point of introducing the Seth and A-H stuff to the forum. Seth used to compare the different 'dimensions' (or realms of experience) to different countries. Some like to travel far, some prefer to stay where they are. Seth, Jane, Abraham and Esther like to travel far. ZD obviously likes to stay where he is. And that's fine. It's just a matter of personal preference. As long as he doesn't insist that there are no other countries, I don't see the issue. Go back to the top of this page, ZD specifically said:"Higher dimensions? This is all mind-generated stuff..."... That sounds like he thinks it's all imaginary. (E definitely does. Higher dimensions = "cake layers", which E is adamantly against). The point (my point) is if higher dimensions don't exist then neither Seth nor Abraham can exist (and therefore their reports are wholly Imaginary, made up, lies and fabrications, or delusion). I have no problem with what anyone considers what the truth is or of what reality consists of. I'm just trying to point out the consequences of a particular paradigm, and how that paradigm comes to be, and that It might narrow the field of what is. That is, our perception & conception of what is, and how that effects our lives and our possibility. ZD probably thinks I'm leading people astray. I say people are responsible for their own world-view.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 26, 2019 18:46:18 GMT -5
Then you do admit that ignoring Seth info and A-H info is a completely subjective-ZD decision?, not objective. (ZD chooses to appreciate Mooji etc but not Seth/A-H). ZD is choosing what to listen-to and what to ignore. So ZD is the "yardstick". (If Seth and A-H are completely imaginary then any evidence for higher dimensions is eliminated. Your nice neat paradigm/life is maintained). Sorry, but you don't appear to see what's being pointed to. Subjective? Objective? Chooses? Higher dimensions? This is all mind-generated stuff that's as sticky as Brer Rabbit's tar baby. Those who keep touching the tar baby will find it hard to get free. I don't believe consciousness ultimately arises from the mind-brain-body, but everything we know and experience is mediated via the brain-body, is in a very real sense crafted by the brain-body. That's what I mean by subjective, we are not directly in contact with the "inside-outside". When you ATA-T there are numerous physiological processes involved. And if the brain had not learned to structure the world as a child, no meaningful experience, period, would be possible. (If you want to claim OOBE where consciousness is outside the brain-body, that's a different conversation, but....since for you there is no inside or outside..........).......
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Post by enigma on Feb 26, 2019 20:20:05 GMT -5
Sorry, but you don't appear to see what's being pointed to. Subjective? Objective? Chooses? Higher dimensions? This is all mind-generated stuff that's as sticky as Brer Rabbit's tar baby. Those who keep touching the tar baby will find it hard to get free. I don't believe consciousness ultimately arises from the mind-brain-body, but everything we know and experience is mediated via the brain-body, is in a very real sense crafted by the brain-body. That's what I mean by subjective, we are not directly in contact with the "inside-outside". When you ATA-T there are numerous physiological processes involved. And if the brain had not learned to structure the world as a child, no meaningful experience, period, would be possible. ( If you want to claim OOBE where consciousness is outside the brain-body, that's a different conversation, but....since for you there is no inside or outside..........)....... OOBE is possible precisely because there is no inside/outside, and consciousness is not bound to the mind/body.
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Post by justlikeyou on Feb 26, 2019 20:30:25 GMT -5
I don't believe consciousness ultimately arises from the mind-brain-body, but everything we know and experience is mediated via the brain-body, is in a very real sense crafted by the brain-body. That's what I mean by subjective, we are not directly in contact with the "inside-outside". When you ATA-T there are numerous physiological processes involved. And if the brain had not learned to structure the world as a child, no meaningful experience, period, would be possible. ( If you want to claim OOBE where consciousness is outside the brain-body, that's a different conversation, but....since for you there is no inside or outside..........)....... OOBE is possible precisely because there is no inside/outside, and consciousness is not bound to the mind/body. Good point!
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Post by justlikeyou on Feb 26, 2019 20:44:04 GMT -5
ZD specifically said:"Higher dimensions? This is all mind-generated stuff..." Yes, it's the difference between clinging to intellectual thoughts about higher dimensions, (taking one's mind thoughts as one's highest authority) - which is your clear modus operandi here btw - and experiencing a higher dimension directly, as ZD clearly has. No wonder it seems like a big contradiction to you, and you can't see the difference.
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 26, 2019 22:50:39 GMT -5
In the beginning there was this fiery orb Consciousness in space. For unknown reason it cooled off. Its molten surface strewn with lava hardened as the orb Consciousness turned cold. After millions of years living organisms began to grow on its surface. Came forth plants and trees, rivers and seas. 8,400,000 species of living entities manifest. This consciousness orb became what we know as planet earth kept animated by the Sun.
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