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Post by inavalan on Dec 4, 2022 15:08:55 GMT -5
Thanks! Quite interesting! What you can also try is, if you are Taurus rising, check where your Venus is (Venus rules Taurus), its sign and house position. Venus will be your chart ruler and usually your chart ruler best describes your own sense of identity. If your Venus would be let's say in Aries, that would be the 12 House (12th sign from Taurus in the order of the signs) which would mean that your main focus in life and where you find meaning would be 12th house matters, like spirituality, channeling, the non-physical, the unconscious but also interactions with people that are not part of normal society like people in monasteries, prisons or hospitals. These are basically topics that Pisces would naturally be drawn to, and there's some connection between the 12th house topics and Pisces (the 12th sign). It's not identical, but a similar energy. So your life would then revolve around 12th house topics (Pisces stuff) but you would go about it or express it in an Aries way. And your sense of identity would be one of Aries with a strong spiritual bent. You wouldn't see yourself as a Taurus, even though at first impression and judging by your overall demeanor and appearance, people would describe you as the typical Taurus. But when people get to know you better, instead of getting the typical Taurus which is very matter of fact and materialistic, they will get an idealistic and enthusiastic Aries that is mostly interested in otherworldly stuff. So this is how you can often misjudge other people and how people can get confused about their own chart and sense of identity. Astrology is very confusing for beginners because there are so many factors to consider and in the beginning you don't know which factor is important and which one isn't, and especially how to synthesize it all. So what you can do then is to just read thru the signs (and houses) and pick out those parts that deeply resonate with you, that will be your indicator that you are onto something. You don't even have to look at your chart. Because the point of casting the chart is just to give you a better sense of yourself and you can get this also by just reading about the signs and houses and f ollowing your inner guidance re: was resonates. So don't get discouraged if this is too complex or confusing. Good luck!Thanks! It makes sense. Before reading your post, I was thinking on the same lines: of using psychic-sensing to sift through the astrological material to get what fits the inquirer. Obviously, having already a strong background in astrological matters (as you show to have) makes it easier to make better and deeper interpretations. For one like me, browsing the material using some kind of chart, or list of characteristics for my signs, as a means to tap my inner-senses seems also a working possibility. I never thought about astrology from this perspective (!). It all seems extremely complicated, but that is when you try to intellectually apply it, which is probably not even the way astrology was meant to work, but it may have been meant by its founders to be used intuitively (like the I Ching, and the asparagus ) Thanks!
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Post by inavalan on Dec 4, 2022 16:54:50 GMT -5
Below is a quote from the book Anything Can Be Healed by Martin Brofman. It basically describes deliberate creation from a healer's perspective. @ Inavalan: I think you are going to like this, it should be pretty close to your own model of reality ... Here's the quote: Thanks for this reference! Yes, I liked the quote, and it exhibits beliefs that are congruent with mine. I looked him up, and found his inspiring recount of how he got to those convictions: cancer, Zen teacher, Silva Method, change of perspective, beliefs, ... Diagnosed with terminal cancer, he lived 40 more healthy years, found his life vocation, shared his knowledge with many who benefited from it. Quite inspiring! www.fondation-brofman.org/martin-brofman/?lang=enI downloaded the book. I may get in it something I can use. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 20:58:54 GMT -5
This is where I disagree, your action to keep the balanced mind will not let go of the underlying emotion which you would like eradicate from your experience. I was there so I know that. Only KNOWING CLEARLY will release us, mostly If one knows the truth that he is riding the roller-coaster in his life, that knowing make him to calm down when he is in the down side, that would soon bring the roller-coaster into the normal ups and downs which actually brings the PEACE. It will release us from the emotions like anger, high level of frustration. If someone wants to eradicate an emotion from experience, that indicates an adverse reaction to that emotion, which impels the volition in the form of resistance, avoidance etc. That's the exact opposite of what I was saying. I advocate the ability to be calm no matter what. I don't understand what clear knowing is, but maybe it's a bit like 'insight' as the Buddhists like to say... and life is a roller-coaster of ups and downs, to be sure, but it doesn't have to make all that much difference to you personally. You can just be 'level headed'
This is the only place I disagree with. Conscious will is being exercised here. That wouldn't allow that very thing(which you would like to overcome) to go away.
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Post by lolly on Dec 5, 2022 1:50:53 GMT -5
If someone wants to eradicate an emotion from experience, that indicates an adverse reaction to that emotion, which impels the volition in the form of resistance, avoidance etc. That's the exact opposite of what I was saying. I advocate the ability to be calm no matter what. I don't understand what clear knowing is, but maybe it's a bit like 'insight' as the Buddhists like to say... and life is a roller-coaster of ups and downs, to be sure, but it doesn't have to make all that much difference to you personally. You can just be 'level headed'
This is the only place I disagree with. Conscious will is being exercised here. That wouldn't allow that very thing(which you would like to overcome) to go away. If we say the 'natural state' is calm, then no willful exertion is required for that.
Also, although of course we want the blocked stuff to resolve itself and begone, rather than take action to make it happen, there is an understanding that nothing lasts and everything is change, so for resolving the issues, you have to cease resisting the change that nature is undergoing, and thus, whatever is blocked up will be resolved in its own time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 1:58:24 GMT -5
This is the only place I disagree with. Conscious will is being exercised here. That wouldn't allow that very thing(which you would like to overcome) to go away. If we say the 'natural state' is calm, then no willful exertion is required for that.
I loved this line! Very well said!
what do you mean here by 'resisting the change'? By what means one can resist?
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Post by Reefs on Dec 5, 2022 20:51:41 GMT -5
What I am wondering is why you did get involved at all. From my perspective, it didn't concern you and when you jumped in it was already over. Plus, judging from your assessment of the situation, you weren't even aware of how it started. So if your goal was being the objective voice from above the fray, then that's certainly not the way to do it. It was a public discussion that didn't comply with the one rule. Yes, there were several ways I could have gone about it, but I chose this one because it potentially threaded several purposes at once. Done.✅ Oki-doki desu.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 5, 2022 21:05:58 GMT -5
What you can also try is, if you are Taurus rising, check where your Venus is (Venus rules Taurus), its sign and house position. Venus will be your chart ruler and usually your chart ruler best describes your own sense of identity. If your Venus would be let's say in Aries, that would be the 12 House (12th sign from Taurus in the order of the signs) which would mean that your main focus in life and where you find meaning would be 12th house matters, like spirituality, channeling, the non-physical, the unconscious but also interactions with people that are not part of normal society like people in monasteries, prisons or hospitals. These are basically topics that Pisces would naturally be drawn to, and there's some connection between the 12th house topics and Pisces (the 12th sign). It's not identical, but a similar energy. So your life would then revolve around 12th house topics (Pisces stuff) but you would go about it or express it in an Aries way. And your sense of identity would be one of Aries with a strong spiritual bent. You wouldn't see yourself as a Taurus, even though at first impression and judging by your overall demeanor and appearance, people would describe you as the typical Taurus. But when people get to know you better, instead of getting the typical Taurus which is very matter of fact and materialistic, they will get an idealistic and enthusiastic Aries that is mostly interested in otherworldly stuff. So this is how you can often misjudge other people and how people can get confused about their own chart and sense of identity. Astrology is very confusing for beginners because there are so many factors to consider and in the beginning you don't know which factor is important and which one isn't, and especially how to synthesize it all. So what you can do then is to just read thru the signs (and houses) and pick out those parts that deeply resonate with you, that will be your indicator that you are onto something. You don't even have to look at your chart. Because the point of casting the chart is just to give you a better sense of yourself and you can get this also by just reading about the signs and houses and f ollowing your inner guidance re: was resonates. So don't get discouraged if this is too complex or confusing. Good luck!Thanks! It makes sense. Before reading your post, I was thinking on the same lines: of using psychic-sensing to sift through the astrological material to get what fits the inquirer. Obviously, having already a strong background in astrological matters (as you show to have) makes it easier to make better and deeper interpretations. For one like me, browsing the material using some kind of chart, or list of characteristics for my signs, as a means to tap my inner-senses seems also a working possibility. I never thought about astrology from this perspective (!). It all seems extremely complicated, but that is when you try to intellectually apply it, which is probably not even the way astrology was meant to work, but it may have been meant by its founders to be used intuitively (like the I Ching, and the asparagus ) Thanks!Yes, astrology, like other methods of divination, ideally should be used to confirm your inner guidance. That would be using it to your advantage. It shouldn't be used to replace your inner guidance. That would be using it to your disadvantage. In that sense, what method you use, doesn't really matter.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 5, 2022 21:53:31 GMT -5
Below is a quote from the book Anything Can Be Healed by Martin Brofman. It basically describes deliberate creation from a healer's perspective. @ Inavalan: I think you are going to like this, it should be pretty close to your own model of reality ... Here's the quote: Thanks for this reference! Yes, I liked the quote, and it exhibits beliefs that are congruent with mine. I looked him up, and found his inspiring recount of how he got to those convictions: cancer, Zen teacher, Silva Method, change of perspective, beliefs, ... Diagnosed with terminal cancer, he lived 40 more healthy years, found his life vocation, shared his knowledge with many who benefited from it. Quite inspiring! www.fondation-brofman.org/martin-brofman/?lang=enI downloaded the book. I may get in it something I can use. Thanks. This is probably nothing new for you, but he's got another book, The Inner Cause, where he goes into the inner causes of most common illnesses. Normally, in books that consider emotional causes of illnesses, cancer is seen as the result of strong feelings of powerlessness or despair. Interestingly, Brofman doesn't do that, because he follows the chakra model. In general he sees cancer as a symptom of repressing something, of holding back something, not expressing something properly or at all. (In the alternative medical field, on the biological level, some see cancer as a condition where the cells are suffocating in their own waste, because cellular waste isn't eliminated properly for various reasons. That does sound similar. Emotional waste vs. physical waste.) So he would take that as the basis and then look which area in the body is affected and then see which chakra is associated with that area and then you have the kind of emotional state that caused it. For example, colon cancer would refer to the root chakra, our sense of security and safety. Breast cancer would refer to the heart chakra, a relationship with someone who is close to our heart (parent, spouse, child) etc. He says that at the time the symptoms show up, that's when the strong emotional imbalance happened. So we just have to go back to that point in time to see what happened in our life, on the emotional level, to get to the specific cause. He also mentions something interesting about breast cancer. Usually I see it associated with a dysfunctional mother-child relationship in the books, but Brofman mentions another factor: expression of femininity. He says there is a yin/yang imbalance. Women expressing more their yang side (hardness) and suppressing their yin side (softness). Which does make some sense, given that our current cultural climate where women seem to be encouraged to act more like men. In that sense, it would be interesting to see a study, how certain cultural phenomena or fads are picked up by large sections of the population, how they cause an imbalance in people's state of being and then manifest as a particular, wide-spread physical condition or disease. Bottom line for me though is that the cure is essentially always the same - alignment. And if we can find back to a general, natural state of alignment, we don't even have to figure out the specific causes. Looking at it that way, achieving and maintaining a state of total health is surprisingly simple (at least in theory).
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Post by lolly on Dec 5, 2022 23:27:43 GMT -5
If we say the 'natural state' is calm, then no willful exertion is required for that.
I loved this line! Very well said!
what do you mean here by 'resisting the change'? By what means one can resist?
The psychological reaction incites the volition to resist. Hence if something uncomfortable is the lived-reality, there is an adverse reaction which impels the volition to: 1) avoid that and 2) make it as I want to be. Hence people are running from unpleasant and chasing pleasure, and they never stop to be conscious of 'this' just as it is.
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Post by inavalan on Dec 6, 2022 16:35:51 GMT -5
Thanks for this reference! Yes, I liked the quote, and it exhibits beliefs that are congruent with mine. I looked him up, and found his inspiring recount of how he got to those convictions: cancer, Zen teacher, Silva Method, change of perspective, beliefs, ... Diagnosed with terminal cancer, he lived 40 more healthy years, found his life vocation, shared his knowledge with many who benefited from it. Quite inspiring! www.fondation-brofman.org/martin-brofman/?lang=enI downloaded the book. I may get in it something I can use. Thanks. This is probably nothing new for you, but he's got another book, The Inner Cause, where he goes into the inner causes of most common illnesses. Normally, in books that consider emotional causes of illnesses, cancer is seen as the result of strong feelings of powerlessness or despair. Interestingly, Brofman doesn't do that, because he follows the chakra model. In general he sees cancer as a symptom of repressing something, of holding back something, not expressing something properly or at all. (In the alternative medical field, on the biological level, some see cancer as a condition where the cells are suffocating in their own waste, because cellular waste isn't eliminated properly for various reasons. That does sound similar. Emotional waste vs. physical waste.) So he would take that as the basis and then look which area in the body is affected and then see which chakra is associated with that area and then you have the kind of emotional state that caused it. For example, colon cancer would refer to the root chakra, our sense of security and safety. Breast cancer would refer to the heart chakra, a relationship with someone who is close to our heart (parent, spouse, child) etc. He says that at the time the symptoms show up, that's when the strong emotional imbalance happened. So we just have to go back to that point in time to see what happened in our life, on the emotional level, to get to the specific cause. He also mentions something interesting about breast cancer. Usually I see it associated with a dysfunctional mother-child relationship in the books, but Brofman mentions another factor: expression of femininity. He says there is a yin/yang imbalance. Women expressing more their yang side (hardness) and suppressing their yin side (softness). Which does make some sense, given that our current cultural climate where women seem to be encouraged to act more like men. In that sense, it would be interesting to see a study, how certain cultural phenomena or fads are picked up by large sections of the population, how they cause an imbalance in people's state of being and then manifest as a particular, wide-spread physical condition or disease. Bottom line for me though is that the cure is essentially always the same - alignment. And if we can find back to a general, natural state of alignment, we don't even have to figure out the specific causes. Looking at it that way, achieving and maintaining a state of total health is surprisingly simple (at least in theory). I find this quote quite significant:
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Post by andrew on Dec 7, 2022 15:25:36 GMT -5
Bentinho Massaro is a non-duality guy (mainly) that I follow on FB. Just saw this quote and thought I'd throw it in here as it's relevant to this thread. Not gonna say I think he's the bees knees, but I like seeing him pop up on my FB feed sometimes.
''When you’re fully in alignment with yourself, your overarching dream, and your sense of purpose, you become so powerful in your presence that things change around you effortlessly all the time—even against the logical odds and rules of “reality.” ''
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2022 21:59:35 GMT -5
I loved this line! Very well said!
what do you mean here by 'resisting the change'? By what means one can resist?
The psychological reaction incites the volition to resist. Hence if something uncomfortable is the lived-reality, there is an adverse reaction which impels the volition to: 1) avoid that and 2) make it as I want to be. Hence people are running from unpleasant and chasing pleasure, and they never stop to be conscious of 'this' just as it is.
I agree! But they can only be consicous of such action. They can't stop avoid that. If they do, that would be another creation and it continues to survive.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 7, 2022 22:03:09 GMT -5
I loved this line! Very well said!
what do you mean here by 'resisting the change'? By what means one can resist?
The psychological reaction incites the volition to resist. Hence if something uncomfortable is the lived-reality, there is an adverse reaction which impels the volition to: 1) avoid that and 2) make it as I want to be. Hence people are running from unpleasant and chasing pleasure, and they never stop to be conscious of 'this' just as it is.
So in essence, knee-jerking = suffering.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 7, 2022 22:54:33 GMT -5
This is probably nothing new for you, but he's got another book, The Inner Cause, where he goes into the inner causes of most common illnesses. Normally, in books that consider emotional causes of illnesses, cancer is seen as the result of strong feelings of powerlessness or despair. Interestingly, Brofman doesn't do that, because he follows the chakra model. In general he sees cancer as a symptom of repressing something, of holding back something, not expressing something properly or at all. (In the alternative medical field, on the biological level, some see cancer as a condition where the cells are suffocating in their own waste, because cellular waste isn't eliminated properly for various reasons. That does sound similar. Emotional waste vs. physical waste.) So he would take that as the basis and then look which area in the body is affected and then see which chakra is associated with that area and then you have the kind of emotional state that caused it. For example, colon cancer would refer to the root chakra, our sense of security and safety. Breast cancer would refer to the heart chakra, a relationship with someone who is close to our heart (parent, spouse, child) etc. He says that at the time the symptoms show up, that's when the strong emotional imbalance happened. So we just have to go back to that point in time to see what happened in our life, on the emotional level, to get to the specific cause. He also mentions something interesting about breast cancer. Usually I see it associated with a dysfunctional mother-child relationship in the books, but Brofman mentions another factor: expression of femininity. He says there is a yin/yang imbalance. Women expressing more their yang side (hardness) and suppressing their yin side (softness). Which does make some sense, given that our current cultural climate where women seem to be encouraged to act more like men. In that sense, it would be interesting to see a study, how certain cultural phenomena or fads are picked up by large sections of the population, how they cause an imbalance in people's state of being and then manifest as a particular, wide-spread physical condition or disease. Bottom line for me though is that the cure is essentially always the same - alignment. And if we can find back to a general, natural state of alignment, we don't even have to figure out the specific causes. Looking at it that way, achieving and maintaining a state of total health is surprisingly simple (at least in theory). I find this quote quite significant:
Raising vibration, literally. The radio tuner analogy comes to mind. Once we stop tuning into the discordant voices around us ("Civilization as we know it is about to end! Thermo-nuclear extinction level event coming! Get prepared!") and tune into the more harmonious voices ("Whoa, look at that rainbow! Awesome!" or "What a cute little puppy! And such a zest for life!") then we are likely going to see a lot of people we've been used to having around slowly fade out of our lives, like a radio station and it's same old music that is going to slowly fade out as we keep turning the dial, looking for and tuning into some better music broadcasts. And the cool thing is, it's totally in our control. We are in control of that dial. We are in control of our focus, where we put our attention. The old radio stations, the people we used to hang out with, can't do anything about it, once we've moved out of their range, their influence on us is gone. So in theory, it's astonishingly simple to turn your life around. In practice though, it usually takes some will-power to break the negative momentum, to get off the couch and start turning that dial, to choose something different from what our environment is choosing. But once you're going, you're going. And the better it gets, the better it gets. Works also in the reverse, when we fall back into creating by default, once your are going, you're going. And the worse it gets, the worse it gets. And so life is only a rollercoaster for those who don't focus deliberately, who create by default.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 7, 2022 23:01:42 GMT -5
Bentinho Massaro is a non-duality guy (mainly) that I follow on FB. Just saw this quote and thought I'd throw it in here as it's relevant to this thread. Not gonna say I think he's the bees knees, but I like seeing him pop up on my FB feed sometimes. ''When you’re fully in alignment with yourself, your overarching dream, and your sense of purpose, you become so powerful in your presence that things change around you effortlessly all the time—even against the logical odds and rules of “reality.” '' Yes, one who is in alignment is more powerful than millions who are not. And the physical or biological laws that seem violated aren't laws to begin with, they are agreements. And there are no odds, there is only alignment with who you are and what you want or not.
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