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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 14:10:10 GMT -5
I guess when Irma hit here it was because there weren't enough LOA believers to ward her off course with their positive vibes or a cluster of unresolved emotions attracting her. Like I said to one of my Christian friends who espoused the power of prayer: what would you rather have in a gun fight body armor or prayers? The answer is obvious. I'm way too practical to buy the notion you propose. What I'm saying is consciousness can fall into the illusion of separation through something called the identification complex. Teachers call this mind identification. This identification is created through relationship between conditions (ie creation) and the conditioned mind (an appearance within creation). Uprooting the identification complex leaves a different creature than the human that spawned the id complex through emotional management techniques running unconsciously, one capable of falling into universal alignment, because the conditions which create warps in the personality include everything that exists everywhere in the DNA of that condition. Your mind is intricately connected to the world condition, and this connection is in alignment with different channels in the conscious and unconscious state. Do you mean to disagree with that? I wouldn't go as far to say the unresolved emotions of the masses attracted the natural disaster, but that the failure to resolve those emotions could play culprit to the inability to avoid what could have been predicted. Also, maybe someone can be consciously aligned and completely ready to die. If you aren't a person, how can death be the worst thing? People that believe in LOA may have no idea how LOA works, and more often than not, possess the belief in order to avoid that very discovery. I don't think you're too practical to buy the notion I'm proposing, because I am speaking of nothing other than becoming aware of the relationship between the conditions which created your personality structure and the person you apparently are. You may be too identified with that person to explore these ideas more deeply, and that may happen because of the emotional avoidance point you already acknowledged was valid. I disagree. My beliefs are quite different. There is the absolute and only the absolute, masquerading as all things. Having said that I don't put much stock in belief. Knowing that and a dime won't buy me a cup of coffee. Regarding death, I have zero fear. Been close to it many times. Quite pleasant actually. It's watching others suffer before death that hurts. It hurts a lot. It's easier with animals. We remove their misery.
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Post by preciocho on Aug 5, 2018 16:43:29 GMT -5
What I'm saying is consciousness can fall into the illusion of separation through something called the identification complex. Teachers call this mind identification. This identification is created through relationship between conditions (ie creation) and the conditioned mind (an appearance within creation). Uprooting the identification complex leaves a different creature than the human that spawned the id complex through emotional management techniques running unconsciously, one capable of falling into universal alignment, because the conditions which create warps in the personality include everything that exists everywhere in the DNA of that condition. Your mind is intricately connected to the world condition, and this connection is in alignment with different channels in the conscious and unconscious state. Do you mean to disagree with that? I wouldn't go as far to say the unresolved emotions of the masses attracted the natural disaster, but that the failure to resolve those emotions could play culprit to the inability to avoid what could have been predicted. Also, maybe someone can be consciously aligned and completely ready to die. If you aren't a person, how can death be the worst thing? People that believe in LOA may have no idea how LOA works, and more often than not, possess the belief in order to avoid that very discovery. I don't think you're too practical to buy the notion I'm proposing, because I am speaking of nothing other than becoming aware of the relationship between the conditions which created your personality structure and the person you apparently are. You may be too identified with that person to explore these ideas more deeply, and that may happen because of the emotional avoidance point you already acknowledged was valid. I disagree. My beliefs are quite different. There is the absolute and only the absolute, masquerading as all things. Having said that I don't put much stock in belief. Knowing that and a dime won't buy me a cup of coffee. Regarding death, I have zero fear. Been close to it many times. Quite pleasant actually. It's watching others suffer before death that hurts. It hurts a lot. It's easier with animals. We remove their misery. I agree that there is the absolute masquerading as all things. We were talking about how people are conditioned (what you reference as things) and how unconscious conditioning might alter point of attraction. You agree that emotional avoidance may tie into negative experiences in some way, so you do believe in LOA, but don't entirely understand it, but at times you do entirely dismiss it. Your beliefs aren't all that different, you just don't want to entirely understand LOA, and so there's probably no point in talking about it anymore.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 9, 2018 22:49:11 GMT -5
Hands in the clay! That's how I know it. That's a unique and new expression to me. :-) It's an old A-H expression, actually:
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Post by Gopal on Nov 14, 2018 13:17:25 GMT -5
Are you leaving open the possibility that desire can be fulfilled out of alignment with creation? I spose you are, but then we wouldn't be looking at fulfillment but rather temporary absence of self seeking due to an egoic restructuring or a fleeting mind state. Which roughly translates into what desire is a compensation for pain and which desire is present in the absence of such pain? Yeah. Of course, all manner of egoic and delusion based desire can be momentarily fulfilled, but when such is the basis of a desire, it runs counter to the natural flow of creation. Ultimately, instead of creation providing what one desires, one begins to desire what creation is providing. One aligns, not with what is created, but with the force of creation itself, because the individual IS creation. what do you mean by "one begins to desire what creation is providing"
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Post by lolly on Nov 19, 2018 0:38:06 GMT -5
There are two tragedies in life, not getting what you want, and getting what you want. Oscar Wilde That's like the saying, "The good news is, this will pass and; the bad news is, this will pass" - I can remember who said it.
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Post by lolly on Nov 19, 2018 0:47:35 GMT -5
My understanding of the way the Buddhists look at it is that since any desire fulfillment is temporary it will always have the potential to lead to more craving as time goes on, regardless of how in alignment the original desire might have been. The way I see it, if someone's SR and significantly "out of alignment", they might feel the pain of getting smacked down in pursuing an "impure desire", but they ain't gonna suffer from it. The practice of Buddhism is, itself, motivated by desire, along with whatever else the person does, so the seeming hard line that Buddhism takes on desire has always been a non-starter for me. The distinction between desire and craving seems more to the point, as craving is likely illusion and self identity based. As such, I agree with your take on it, though not all a-twitter about the phrase "impure desire". Buddhist practice is fundamentally to 'just observe'. It doesn't start because that is already the case. Indeed the 'craving' is a dual dynamic as there is no desire without aversion. 'Craving' refers to that dynamic rather than either side of it. That is the dynamic of reactivity which perpetuates 'me' in time. This is called the 'volition'. Kamma.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 19, 2018 17:08:44 GMT -5
There are two tragedies in life, not getting what you want, and getting what you want. Oscar Wilde That's like the saying, "The good news is, this will pass and; the bad news is, this will pass" - I can remember who said it. I think it's from a Sufi story. A king asked his wise men to come together and compose a short aphorism that would suit any circumstances, both happy and sad. They came up with: "This too will pass".
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