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Post by laughter on Dec 11, 2015 23:42:09 GMT -5
Not so. YOU were dicussing the possibility of feeling NOT special. But you can't see this is what you are doing. Not now, I never said anything otherwise. Can you please stop playing these games? I really am not playing games Tano. Just trying to converse with you. If I'm guilty of anything here, it 'aint game-playing at all, more just making the faulty assumption of continuity of subject of conversation. "except clarity and knowing"....that's actually a pretty BIG difference. Yes, life will roll on as it has always done, but absent need based suffering...again, no small thing. That interest in 'downplaying' of the difference seems to me to be a false sort of humility. If there were no difference between TR and not being TR, there would be no Enlightenment Trilogy...no Invisible Guru forum. As opposed to what? As opposed to what? You know, if you weren't playing games, you'd simply acknowledge that you misunderstood what she meant by her expression of gratitude, plain and simple.  |
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Post by laughter on Dec 11, 2015 23:56:15 GMT -5
Does it really? If the description below accurately describes his experience, I'd say he's missing out on the most important facet of life; A sense of communion with others. Love. And as I said before, if it's true that he is very good at manifesting a personal reality to his liking, then it's curious that his personal reality continues to be rife with unawakened others whom he has little commonality with. Doesn't sound like much fun. "It's like I can hum a few bars but I have forgotten most of the words. I can't stand in line at the grocery and carry on a normal conversation if it gets much past the weather. I can't go to a bar and have a beer and shoot a game of pool because I can't pretend to share the experiences and interests of the other patrons. In other words, there's no commonality......... No two humans could have less in common than any human and me. I am a member of no community. Because I live in a different paradigm. I am effectively set apart from humanity. ....I knew when I started on my own journey it meant leaving behind human connectedness, and that was perfectly acceptable to me. " FFS..... those were written YEARS ago. Are you the same as you were when 17? When 25? When 35? etc/ etc? Please use your brain, you strike me as intelligent and with an ability to think, yet, you get stuck in a tunnel vision all the time. Detach from it, turn around and have another look, from a different perspective. fwiw... Jed is a very convincing lie. But he doesn't give a s*%t. Yet, he cares enough not to be a swine. Notice how she had to backtrack from and had no direct response to this: Did you read his books? He's pretty insistent in the first three about his deep distaste for interfacing with most people, his own sister included. He really drives home the point that he's got little patience/tolerance for non-awakened folks....and, important to note, he regards the majority of folks the world over to be sleeping. Regardless of a realization of Oneness, if one is purposefully creating a buffer between him and interaction with 'others' appearing in his world, because his dislike of them is so strong, there is indeed a 'surface sense of separation' happening there. No, that's very clearly a giraffe. What can you quote from the first book to support your illusion? He didn't express a "deep distaste for interfacing with most people" in the first book. She had to morph her point when quoting it to "feeling a sense of separation". Figgles is very stubborn this way and will never admit that she's wrong, no matter how clearly it's spelled out for her. She clings to her opinions as if to dear life itself.  |
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Post by laughter on Dec 11, 2015 23:59:49 GMT -5
"The" world was what I was referencing..as in an objective, consensus based fixed place...but yes, the very word 'world' even preceded by "my" also conjures up an idea......a supposed 'place' that contains unknown, unseen masses of people. Thus, I prefer to stick with the term 'experience.' <figgles> </figgles> |
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Post by laughter on Dec 12, 2015 9:26:47 GMT -5
In answer to your question.... I am immensely grateful to be alive and to experience this world. As opposed to what? As opposed to what? There is a spontaneous gratitude that can arise in every timeless instant that is the epitome of the absence of any and all opposition. This, dear Faye, is the genuine meaning of surrender. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 12, 2015 11:24:31 GMT -5
As opposed to what? As opposed to what? There is a spontaneous gratitude that can arise in every timeless instant that is the epitome of the absence of any and all opposition. This, dear Faye, is the genuine meaning of surrender. Haha, one time I was hanging out with some missionary children and a couple of their mothers who didn't speak English (It's a looong story with so many twists and turns....I attribute to my constantly jumping into deeps ends of different pools  ). Anyway, we were having a meal together, and one of the kids asked me to say a prayer. Not my strength, if ya know what I mean. So, I immediately looked for some words to say as I saw everyone puts there heads down in solemn prayer mode, and out came my spontaneous reply in rapid procession, "Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you for EVERYthing!", at which point several raised eye brows appeared around the table as the kids looked towards me and their moms. Then, the smiles and jabbering as the kids started to talk about how that made sense. Subsequently, a pleasant sh!t-eating grin arose whenever I heard the prayer spoken by the kids later, wondering if they would ever realize what I meant. |
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Post by figgles on Dec 12, 2015 12:04:16 GMT -5
There is a spontaneous gratitude that can arise in every timeless instant that is the epitome of the absence of any and all opposition. This, dear Faye, is the genuine meaning of surrender. Haha, one time I was hanging out with some missionary children and a couple of their mothers who didn't speak English (It's a looong story with so many twists and turns....I attribute to my constantly jumping into deeps ends of different pools ). Anyway, we were having a meal together, and one of the kids asked me to say a prayer. Not my strength, if ya know what I mean. So, I immediately looked for some words to say as I saw everyone puts there heads down in solemn prayer mode, and out came my spontaneous reply in rapid procession, "Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you for EVERYthing!", at which point several raised eye brows appeared around the table as the kids looked towards me and their moms. Then, the smiles and jabbering as the kids started to talk about how that made sense. Subsequently, a pleasant sh!t-eating grin arose whenever I heard the prayer spoken by the kids later, wondering if they would ever realize what I meant.Did they give you reason to think they did not? |
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Post by laughter on Dec 12, 2015 12:09:24 GMT -5
Haha, one time I was hanging out with some missionary children and a couple of their mothers who didn't speak English (It's a looong story with so many twists and turns....I attribute to my constantly jumping into deeps ends of different pools ). Anyway, we were having a meal together, and one of the kids asked me to say a prayer. Not my strength, if ya know what I mean. So, I immediately looked for some words to say as I saw everyone puts there heads down in solemn prayer mode, and out came my spontaneous reply in rapid procession, "Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you for EVERYthing!", at which point several raised eye brows appeared around the table as the kids looked towards me and their moms. Then, the smiles and jabbering as the kids started to talk about how that made sense. Subsequently, a pleasant sh!t-eating grin arose whenever I heard the prayer spoken by the kids later, wondering if they would ever realize what I meant.Did they give you reason to think they did not? Maybe one of them asked "as opposed to what?". |
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Post by figgles on Dec 12, 2015 12:11:35 GMT -5
Notice how she had to backtrack from and had no direct response to this: He didn't express a "deep distaste for interfacing with most people" in the first book. She had to morph her point when quoting it to "feeling a sense of separation". Figgles is very stubborn this way and will never admit that she's wrong, no matter how clearly it's spelled out for her. She clings to her opinions as if to dear life itself. Perhaps, you could re-name the thread 'Jed McKenna v. Figgles', to avoid confusion for those who are looking for genuine discussion on JM. Well... to Figgles credit , she is sincere in her delusions. That's something positive. ..and yet, You have said yourself that the Jed of the forum has clearly moved way beyond some of the understandings of the Jed of the books...that they were written so very long ago and it's important to understand that some of that text is no longer relevant...?...that the forum Jed is now demonstrating some very different understandings & ways of being/behaving when it comes to connection with others, than what he expressed in those early books? In saying this, aren't you to some extent seeing the same things I have been describing..? |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 12, 2015 14:51:13 GMT -5
Haha, one time I was hanging out with some missionary children and a couple of their mothers who didn't speak English (It's a looong story with so many twists and turns....I attribute to my constantly jumping into deeps ends of different pools ). Anyway, we were having a meal together, and one of the kids asked me to say a prayer. Not my strength, if ya know what I mean. So, I immediately looked for some words to say as I saw everyone puts there heads down in solemn prayer mode, and out came my spontaneous reply in rapid procession, "Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you for EVERYthing!", at which point several raised eye brows appeared around the table as the kids looked towards me and their moms. Then, the smiles and jabbering as the kids started to talk about how that made sense. Subsequently, a pleasant sh!t-eating grin arose whenever I heard the prayer spoken by the kids later, wondering if they would ever realize what I meant.Did they give you reason to think they did not? During my 6 months of working with them, yes, there were plenty of reasons to support my thinking that they did not. Working in an international school run by and that catered to a fairly dense population of missionaries and their children, let's just say, in a sense, I was a wolf in sheep's clothing. |
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Post by figgles on Dec 12, 2015 15:05:08 GMT -5
Did they give you reason to think they did not? During my 6 months of working with them, yes, there were plenty of reasons to support my thinking that they did not. Working in an international school run by and that catered to a fairly dense population of missionaries and their children, let's just say, in a sense, I was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Can you be more specific though as to what they said to support your thinking that they did not understand a prayer of encompassing gratitude? ..or am I misunderstanding your prayer myself? It's been my experience that children, even those indoctrinated into some fairly rigid religions, are often still very much connected to inner knowing.....to that sense of joy regarding life itself. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 12, 2015 19:05:10 GMT -5
Notice how she had to backtrack from and had no direct response to this: He didn't express a "deep distaste for interfacing with most people" in the first book. She had to morph her point when quoting it to "feeling a sense of separation". Figgles is very stubborn this way and will never admit that she's wrong, no matter how clearly it's spelled out for her. She clings to her opinions as if to dear life itself. Perhaps, you could re-name the thread 'Jed McKenna v. Figgles', to avoid confusion for those who are looking for genuine discussion on JM. Well... to Figgles credit, she is sincere in her delusions. That's something positive. Good idea, yeah. It's a sweet and poetic irony that she likely has me on ignore at this point. She spent months chasing Reefs around the forum taunting him about how using that feature meant that he was getting angry and in internal turmoil from the dialog here. It will be an interesting experiment if you don't quote this to see if she responds to it. But of course, she's a very active private messenger so could just as easily hear about it from one of her friends. Most of them have very little in common besides the fact that they're seekers denying their seeking, but uniting against a common enemy is of course peep nature 101.  |
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Post by figgles on Dec 12, 2015 19:34:09 GMT -5
Perhaps, you could re-name the thread 'Jed McKenna v. Figgles', to avoid confusion for those who are looking for genuine discussion on JM. Well... to Figgles credit, she is sincere in her delusions. That's something positive. Good idea, yeah. It's a sweet and poetic irony that she likely has me on ignore at this point. She spent months chasing Reefs around the forum taunting him about how using that feature meant that he was getting angry and in internal turmoil from the dialog here. It will be an interesting experiment if you don't quote this to see if she responds to it. But of course, she's a very active private messenger so could just as easily hear about it from one of her friends. Most of them have very little in common besides the fact that they're seekers denying their seeking, but uniting against a common enemy is of course peep nature 101. Rest assured Laffy, no 'experiments' necessary. I do not "have you on ignore." I simply don't care to engage you & I explained why a ways back...still stands. kinda surprising how long you'll carry on anyway, doing what you feel compelled to do, absent any response. Carry on......  |
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Post by laughter on Dec 12, 2015 19:44:21 GMT -5
Good idea, yeah. It's a sweet and poetic irony that she likely has me on ignore at this point. She spent months chasing Reefs around the forum taunting him about how using that feature meant that he was getting angry and in internal turmoil from the dialog here. It will be an interesting experiment if you don't quote this to see if she responds to it. But of course, she's a very active private messenger so could just as easily hear about it from one of her friends. Most of them have very little in common besides the fact that they're seekers denying their seeking, but uniting against a common enemy is of course peep nature 101. Rest assured Laffy, no 'experiments' necessary. I do not "have you on ignore." I simply don't care to engage you & I explained why a ways back...still stands. kinda surprising how long you'll carry on anyway, doing what you feel compelled to do, absent any response. Carry on...... Tsk tsk tsk, never met a double-bind ya' didn't like, didya' hun'?  What do you think that means, that you constantly pose those, and almost always unconsciously? What does that hint about your thought processes and state of mind? |
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Post by laughter on Dec 12, 2015 19:51:55 GMT -5
I simply don't care to engage you & I explained why a ways back...still stands. kinda surprising how long you'll carry on anyway, doing what you feel compelled to do, absent any response. Carry on...... And your portraiture is off. You've both engaged me in the "Death" thread and written about me over in GSD, long after anything you could possibly be referring to by this. Just like your figfight over the notion of "world", and your giraffe about tano's gratitude, this is more imagination on your part. What does this constant parade of giraffes indicate about your state of mind? |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 12, 2015 19:54:31 GMT -5
During my 6 months of working with them, yes, there were plenty of reasons to support my thinking that they did not. Working in an international school run by and that catered to a fairly dense population of missionaries and their children, let's just say, in a sense, I was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Can you be more specific though as to what they said to support your thinking that they did not understand a prayer of encompassing gratitude? ..or am I misunderstanding your prayer myself? It's been my experience that children, even those indoctrinated into some fairly rigid religions, are often still very much connected to inner knowing.....to that sense of joy regarding life itself. Let's see, where to start? Daily interactions that talk about God, doing God's work, how God says this and God says that, hoping for God's grace, thanking God for good things that happened and asking for "more"/something else/something different, etc. Listening to presentations and testimonies that speak of being blessed by God in a way that they have what they have, and feeling sorry for people who haven't heard the good news. Then, going on a speil about how proud they are of their parents for converting people to the right way of living and serving God. Watching congregations of people (the parents and children) in a church as they go into wailing (literally), crying, and begging for God to forgive them, show them the way, and empower them "his" glory. Kids had front row seats to the power struggles, inter-community travails, and bickering when the going got rough (this was in Central Asia, immediately after 9-11, so the air was charged and the governments on edge). The kids, for the most part, were pretty cool when on their own. As you say, they did tend to be a little softer around the edges, and were also quite capable, even desirous, of being spontaneous in their play and interactions. That's pretty much where I came in, and had no real problem carving out my niche. The kids actually told me matter-of-factly how I was unlike the other adults, so that was a good sign. It was a bit interesting to see even a little confusion in their interactions with me. The transplanted hyper-Christian culture there was thick, the kids had grown up "third culture" children and were swamped daily with the thoughts patterns. I never pressed any of them on the issues talked about here, so perhaps there were a few of them amongst the crowd who would have been able to hear. As for what the prayer (if you can call it that) meant, I'll leave that up to you to decide. |
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