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Post by figgles on Sept 18, 2016 12:02:44 GMT -5
Of course he understands the idea of everything being an appearance in consciousness. Andrew is annoying but not stupid. Hehe He's just trying to get you to acknowledge a different context, so acknowledge it already! Thank you!   |
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Post by laughter on Sept 18, 2016 12:07:30 GMT -5
Now you're sliding from the unsubstantiated claim of my alleged (and non-existent) morphing into a justification for making the unsubstantiated claim. Aces.  yeah I got no interest in trying to prove something to you, it would be futile, and not because I don't think you endlessly morph conversations. This is a personal fairytale you're telling in order to feel better about the bald fact that I've linked to your morphing but my supposed morphing is only in your imagination.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:12:32 GMT -5
You see, at no point have I tried to tell you that Consciousness-appearances is false. I have challenged your idea of what constitutes an appearance, but that is about as far as I went. I've just talking about what you know to be true, whether you know it to be true that appearances appear, and whether you know it to be true that Gopal lives in India. I'm not very interested in what IS true. I'm just interested in your experience of knowing what is true. Yes there are spiritual truths that you know, but there are also the day to day knowings. In your job there must be thousands of experiences of knowing what is true in relation to computer programming. I'm not saying they ARE 'the truth', again I'm talking about your experience of knowing they are true. There's a subtle but significant difference there. Okay. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:14:20 GMT -5
I am saying everything is appearing. Whatever is visible to me is appearing. How about that which is felt, heard, tasted, experienced in any way? Is it only those things that 'visually' appear that you deem to be of the realm of 'appearance'? No no, everything is just happening in consciousness. Feeling, hearing, tasting. There is no objective universe outside, because objective universe born of our speculation. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 18, 2016 12:17:42 GMT -5
You see, at no point have I tried to tell you that Consciousness-appearances is false. I have challenged your idea of what constitutes an appearance, but that is about as far as I went. I've just talking about what you know to be true, whether you know it to be true that appearances appear, and whether you know it to be true that Gopal lives in India. I'm not very interested in what IS true. I'm just interested in your experience of knowing what is true. Yes there are spiritual truths that you know, but there are also the day to day knowings. In your job there must be thousands of experiences of knowing what is true in relation to computer programming. I'm not saying they ARE 'the truth', again I'm talking about your experience of knowing they are true. There's a subtle but significant difference there. Okay. Is that a 'okay now please go away' okay'? |
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Post by andrew on Sept 18, 2016 12:18:31 GMT -5
How about that which is felt, heard, tasted, experienced in any way? Is it only those things that 'visually' appear that you deem to be of the realm of 'appearance'? No no, everything is just happening in consciousness. Feeling, hearing, tasting. There is no objective universe outside, because objective universe born of our speculation. Babies. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:22:22 GMT -5
Is that a 'okay now please go away' okay'? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:22:47 GMT -5
No no, everything is just happening in consciousness. Feeling, hearing, tasting. There is no objective universe outside, because objective universe born of our speculation. Babies. What Babies? |
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Post by andrew on Sept 18, 2016 12:30:08 GMT -5
Babies have the experience of knowing a world beyond them, without speculating. That doesn't mean that what they know is true. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:32:13 GMT -5
Babies have the experience of knowing a world beyond them, without speculating. That doesn't mean that what they know is true. Okay. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:36:36 GMT -5
How about that which is felt, heard, tasted, experienced in any way? Is it only those things that 'visually' appear that you deem to be of the realm of 'appearance'? No no, everything is just happening in consciousness. Feeling, hearing, tasting. There is no objective universe outside, because objective universe born of our speculation. Everything is just happening in consciousness to a 'human observer'. But is everything just happening in consciousness to consciousness, devoid of a 'human observer? In other words, does consciousness need a human observer to see, feel, hear, taste and experience? |
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Post by figgles on Sept 18, 2016 12:40:04 GMT -5
How about that which is felt, heard, tasted, experienced in any way? Is it only those things that 'visually' appear that you deem to be of the realm of 'appearance'? No no, everything is just happening in consciousness. Feeling, hearing, tasting. There is no objective universe outside, because objective universe born of our speculation. Okay, thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:42:09 GMT -5
No no, everything is just happening in consciousness. Feeling, hearing, tasting. There is no objective universe outside, because objective universe born of our speculation. Everything is just happening in consciousness to a 'human observer'. But is everything just happening in consciousness to consciousness, devoid of a 'human observer? In other words, does consciousness need a human observer to see, feel, hear, taste and experience? There is no human observer, Consciousness itself is the observer, human is an appearance in consciousness. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:42:32 GMT -5
No no, everything is just happening in consciousness. Feeling, hearing, tasting. There is no objective universe outside, because objective universe born of our speculation. Okay, thanks. Welcome. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:44:58 GMT -5
Yeah the self-depreciation is actually his DNA rather than the 'all is Brahman' meme.  Though there is some doubt here that he can openly admit that he understood what was written. Did you understand what he wrote about 'the resolution' that happens at third position in the mountain metaphor? I understand your preference for taking what he's written at face value, though any firmness in his resolve indicates that the force he used to know that God is his true nature hasn't been surrendered. |
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