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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 12:55:18 GMT -5
I think he is just saying that the happening of 'identification with body' does not happen apart from "Impersonal"...Really, "Impersonal" is not referring to anything that could 'identify' or not....it's a term that is referencing that which is absent all qualities. yes, the egoic mind identifies...but that happening, can be said to also fall under the umbrella of "Impersonal"...of "Consciousness" as I would prefer to term it. I think he misunderstood the word 'identification'. On the contrary. Identification is a very easy word to understand. What is not so easy is to find out the real nature of that which identifies.
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Post by Theodore on Feb 24, 2016 12:55:29 GMT -5
Impersonal awareness can't be experienced, Impersonal consciousness is you yourself. To be clear, Theo is not a follower nor Figgles, both are finding meaning out of what I talk, they are sensing that what I have been talking is meaningful one. So they started to support me. Even if Enigma knows I am correct, Enigma wouldn't support me If argue with Reefs or Laughter, but Enigma would support me If I argue with runstill or some other people, Because Enigma has to save his friendship here! Yes..and to be clear, I DO rez with your position on no way to know with certainty re: the figment or not business....but am still not jibing with your 'others disappear from my reality when I become clear' point. As I told you, I very much appreciate the fact that we're both on the same page regarding an ability to agree at some points, and perhaps disagree at others...and whatever happens in those dialogues, not kick each other off facebook friends list!! IN fact, that ability/realization/absence of equating differing opinions with anger, (whatever you want to call it), imo, speaks volumes about where one actually is in all of this...another real good 'litmus test' as i see it. Yeah we might disagree with people tend to go away when we reach clarity, but the topic is about whether other people who is in our perception is real or figment, I,You,Theowhy can't drift away from each other, because our support towards others is not dependent upon the people as Laughter always gives his support to Enigma and Reefs no matter what, but our support depends upon the truth in which we three agree. This truth is easily discernible If they are bit strong in logic and direct seeing. I rez with all of that, sorry for the like fest Figgles and Gopal, it's just rezzing to the max The key here is to be able to disagree in terms of truth when it is called for. I've already done that with Gopal, and if the situation arises we'll probably go at it again, and with Figgles we didn't have the pleasure yet, but you never know when. What's going here is not 3 pals covering for each other no matter what, nor a leader/follower dynamic. It's merely an allignment of three minds, and in that 'merely', in that contemporarity of it, in that absence of anything extraneous lies the beauty and the strength.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 12:57:12 GMT -5
Who is dodging man? I or You, What is this impersonal vantage point? What do you know about? All you can know is, You exist and you are consciousness and everything is appearing to you, If so, what else can you know? Man are you understanding the basics? What's been clearly missed is this appearance thang Mr G . Self being cheese means the appearance of cheese in any shape or form is what you are . Cheese as a wedge, sliced, diced is not going to fall into the real and imaginary bracket . It just cheese as it is . When a peep realizes that there is only what you are in experience then there is no foundation for a peep that has realized what they are to question whether reefs or Satch, is a mere figment of your imagination . That is the crux of it, so it matters not how many thoughts one has about whether another peep is real or not for the question / doubt doesn't come about . If you question what appears in relation to what you are then you are still in question regarding what you are . Man, you are going round and round but not getting simple thing, consciousness can't be compared to cheese! Please don't do that, You and Reefs are no way near to what I have been talking about!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 12:59:54 GMT -5
Yes..and to be clear, I DO rez with your position on no way to know with certainty re: the figment or not business....but am still not jibing with your 'others disappear from my reality when I become clear' point. As I told you, I very much appreciate the fact that we're both on the same page regarding an ability to agree at some points, and perhaps disagree at others...and whatever happens in those dialogues, not kick each other off facebook friends list!! IN fact, that ability/realization/absence of equating differing opinions with anger, (whatever you want to call it), imo, speaks volumes about where one actually is in all of this...another real good 'litmus test' as i see it. Yeah we might disagree with people tend to go away when we reach clarity, but the topic is about whether other people who is in our perception is real or figment, I,You,Theowhy can't drift away from each other, because our support towards others is not dependent upon the people as Laughter always gives his support to Enigma and Reefs no matter what, but our support depends upon the truth in which we three agree. This truth is easily discernible If they are bit strong in logic and direct seeing. I rez with all of that, sorry for the like fest Figgles and Gopal, it's just rezzing to the max The key here is to be able to disagree in terms of truth when it is called for. I've already done that with Gopal, and if the situation arises we'll probably go at it again, and with Figgles we didn't have the pleasure yet, but you never know when. What's going here is not 3 pals covering for each other no matter what, nor a leader/follower dynamic. It's merely an allignment of three minds, and in that 'merely', in that contemporarity of it, in that absence of anything extraneous lies the beauty and the strength.Exactly! Very well said!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 13:05:34 GMT -5
I rez with all of that, sorry for the like fest Figgles and Gopal, it's just rezzing to the max The key here is to be able to disagree in terms of truth when it is called for. I've already done that with Gopal, and if the situation arises we'll probably go at it again, and with Figgles we didn't have the pleasure yet, but you never know when. What's going here is not 3 pals covering for each other no matter what, nor a leader/follower dynamic. It's merely an allignment of three minds, and in that 'merely', in that contemporarity of it, in that absence of anything extraneous lies the beauty and the strength.Exactly! Very well said!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 13:06:23 GMT -5
What else can you know in this universe apart from you are consciousness and everything is appearing to this consciousness, Please be clear! You can know that whatever appears in so called consciousness is what you are, so there is no need to question what is real and what is not in relation to that . This is why the record you keep playing is making no headway . If we were to speak generally about what is real and what is not in such context where the water I drink is real and the mirage is not then we can discuss the matter further butt in the context I have been speaking of in regards to the actual realization that Self is all there is, nullify's your stance of what is not real or what is not known . Do you want to speak of comparisons between something like I have given an example of or do you want to relate to we are all made of the same cheese? Man, You are making me to cry, Please don't torture this little man Gopal! Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee don't do that. If Self is all there is mean I know Only self exist, that self is me, and everything else is appearing to me, How can I know the people appear in my appearance is real or figment? Please man kindly don't repeat that nonsense theory of Cheese!
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Post by figgles on Feb 24, 2016 13:07:02 GMT -5
So you are not emotional guy? you say? Yeah, I feel emotions, how 'bout you, do you feel emotions? Nothing at all wrong with emotions, but when we're often in the lower extremes of frustration, anger, rage, (as it seems you are when you engage here) those are an invitation to look at what kinds of stories we're telling ourselves....when those emotions arise in the context of engagement with others, we'd do real well to look at our underlying beliefs/ideas/thoughts/stories about self, as that is the source of all judgment about the other.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 13:07:56 GMT -5
If it is possible, Make one sane post in this forum, If you can't, show me a single contribution of yours in this forum that would be a meaningful one, Can you? This forum includes the fun, but this forum is not for fun, please know the difference!
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Post by Theodore on Feb 24, 2016 13:08:56 GMT -5
You can know that whatever appears in so called consciousness is what you are, so there is no need to question what is real and what is not in relation to that . This is why the record you keep playing is making no headway . If we were to speak generally about what is real and what is not in such context where the water I drink is real and the mirage is not then we can discuss the matter further butt in the context I have been speaking of in regards to the actual realization that Self is all there is, nullify's your stance of what is not real or what is not known . Do you want to speak of comparisons between something like I have given an example of or do you want to relate to we are all made of the same cheese? Man, You are making me to cry, Please don't torture this little man Gopal! Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee don't do that. If Self is all there is mean I know Only self exist, that self is me, and everything else is appearing to me, How can I know the people appear in my appearance is real or figment? Please man kindly don't repeat that nonsense theory of Cheese! To make it more... palatable to tenka and Reefs, we could say that the only manifest cheese I can know is the one that is cheesing before me, and any other cheese's cheese is uncheesable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 13:10:55 GMT -5
Man, You are making me to cry, Please don't torture this little man Gopal! Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee don't do that. If Self is all there is mean I know Only self exist, that self is me, and everything else is appearing to me, How can I know the people appear in my appearance is real or figment? Please man kindly don't repeat that nonsense theory of Cheese! To make it more... palatable to tenka and Reefs, we could say that the only manifest cheese I can know is the one that is cheesing before me, and any other cheese's cheese is uncheesable. WOWWWWWW, that's an excellent explanation, we have fallen into their theory and proved our-selves correct, he he
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 13:14:29 GMT -5
I think he misunderstood the word 'identification'. On the contrary. Identification is a very easy word to understand. What is not so easy is to find out the real nature of that which identifies. Your real nature itself identifies with certain mind-body, So it believes itself to be an individual(identification) and separate from the rest of the creation. But the one who identifies itself is your real nature, not mind, Mind is movement of thoughts.
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Post by silver on Feb 24, 2016 13:14:38 GMT -5
If it is possible, Make one sane post in this forum, If you can't, show me a single contribution of yours in this forum that would be a meaningful one, Can you? This forum includes the fun, but this forum is not for fun, please know the difference! Farmer is the light artillery. Oddly enough, I've been accused on Many occasions for my 'sniping' and yet farmer gets away with this sort of silly stuff! Their gunfire is so much and so often, I think I've gone deaf!
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Post by figgles on Feb 24, 2016 13:14:59 GMT -5
Why did you not answer my question? I can't know whether other people are figment or real is not a doubt for me, that is more than 100% certain. If it's 100% certain then it's not the unknown. It's just the idea of any and every average Joe Peep who thinks other Peeps are real negated. It's just a reversal, just the opposite of the consensus trance. The truth is other than either. Read Gopal's words again; He is not saying that others ARE NOT real...he is saying there is no way, to know with certainty. That absence of certainty regarding whether others appearing to me, are mere figments or not, may be certainty of 'not being able to know', but it says nothing at all about whether other folks are figments or not. That absence of knowing about that, does not render other peeps as 'negated'....as most of us are saying, despite the inability to know this with certainty, we behave 'as it' others were actually more than just figments...as if they are conscious, individuations, experiencing a sense of being.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 13:17:03 GMT -5
If it is possible, Make one sane post in this forum, If you can't, show me a single contribution of yours in this forum that would be a meaningful one, Can you? This forum includes the fun, but this forum is not for fun, please know the difference! Farmer is the light artillery. Oddly enough, I've been accused on Many occasions for my 'sniping' and yet farmer gets away with this sort of silly stuff! Their gunfire is so much and so often, I think I've gone deaf! All I can say is, I haven't even seen a single contribution of him on this forum, Once again,I repeat this forum does include fun, but this forum is not for fun!
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Post by Theodore on Feb 24, 2016 13:17:52 GMT -5
If it is possible, Make one sane post in this forum, If you can't, show me a single contribution of yours in this forum that would be a meaningful one, Can you? This forum includes the fun, but this forum is not for fun, please know the difference! Farmer is the light artillery. Oddly enough, I've been accused on Many occasions for my 'sniping' and yet farmer gets away with this sort of silly stuff! Their gunfire is so much and so often, I think I've gone deaf! If I'm not there, he can't target me
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