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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 18:43:02 GMT -5
Time and space are 'transparent'. Don't know how else to say it. How do you know that Time and space are 'transparent' prior to associating Time and space are 'transparent' . Any association is a conceptual association ...
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 18:46:02 GMT -5
Okay. My definition of mind is the same as Sasquatch's. (thought, feeling, senses)I don't see no 'environment canvass'. So what is happening when you cease to think, feel and sense . Does this automatically reveal what you are beyond mind or beyond Mind (in case Z.D. is reading this . I am suggesting that just because one has gone beyond the intellect the emotional body where one can sense or feel something doesn't mean that they are beyond Mind . It is beyond Mind that one realizes what they are beyond anything Mindful . If we based thought and feeling and such likes solely with mind as peeps like to associate just the movement of thoughts with it then surely every peep that is absent of thought should realize what they are that is beyond self association .. and this isn't always the case isn't it . I agree. So is this associated with your idea of environment?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 18:55:51 GMT -5
Everything is trying to help you see that you already know that the whole world and beyond is actually your body. The resistance set up to deny that is in itself perfect, though it's also emotionally exhausting. Do yourself a big favour and take yourself off of invisible in this forum Source. My relationship with things and my conduct in life depend upon the way in which I understand things. If that is true for you as well and you know that I am 'actually your body', then why is it important for you to have 'your body' take itself off of invisible? This edit to your post is the kind of emotional exhaustion I'm referring to.
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 18:58:22 GMT -5
What, the idea that we can't know if there are other perceivers? I've always agreed with you on that. Now I'm saying something I haven't said before. Are you paying attention? Kindly let me know what difference are you pointing at now? "Whatever mind/bodies are serving as vehicles of perception, consciousness is perceiving through them. The question as to which ones are the real deal is misconceived because there is no objective reality full of real and fake perceivers. " Whether it's a objective reality or subjective reality, other perceivers are real or not question always remains! But if reality is subjective, real or fake is just the way 'you' perceive. How can you not know how you are perceiving?
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 19:04:28 GMT -5
The meaning is that space is an illusion. Space separates your physical presence from my physical presence, and that's no illusion.. We are not physically present. That's the illusion.
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 19:09:59 GMT -5
Right, this point can even be understood with intellect alone. yeah.. no matter where you go, there you are house, car, airport, plane, airport, car, Tzu's house, car, airport, plane.. there you are, perceiving all the way... Butt that would be true even if there were space, isn't it?
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 19:24:26 GMT -5
No argument here, though I do feel a bit slimely saying so. No reason to feel like a chub. I trout that you really mean that. It smelt kinda funny.
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 19:28:53 GMT -5
Your credibility on the subject is now floundering. That's a whale of a problem. Naw, he's just being koi.
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 19:33:12 GMT -5
Gopal: Save your breath. My grandfather used to ride the old elevators that had human operators. He would never call out his floor unless he had to. As a child, I once asked him why he didn't call out his floor. He replied, "I wait to see if someone else will call it out first. If they do, then I don't have to say anything, and I can save that breath to die on." Ha ha. My grandfather was a sage, but I didn't realize it until long after he was dead. So what are you saying now? I need to wait so that someone else would teach that to Tzu ? I couldn't understand the comparison here. He's trouting the value of saving breaths.
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 19:46:13 GMT -5
Make perfect sense, but I consider my writing is also part of the unfoldment of universe! Yes, it is, but I'm suggesting a more intelligent unfoldment! Ha ha. FWIW, many Tibetan Buddhists consider telling uninterested people about the dharma a sin, and Jesus had something to say about this as well. Howsoever, there are peeps I sometimes chat with here that I would not talk to one on one.
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 19:54:15 GMT -5
Nonsense, say it to yourself not to me! You mean that if you thought 4 + 4 = 9 but then realized that 4 + 4 actually = 8 that you wouldn't change what you wrote about it afterwards? I have a sneaking suspicion that may be true.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 19:54:08 GMT -5
But your understanding, your knowledge is that I(world and beyond) is actually your body, yes? So why are you relating to your body as if it lacks something; freedom and trust? How would you describe that kind of behavior towards your own body, that you have something it doesn't? I don't think that you understand. We're talking 3 or 4 years ago when I deliberately stayed invisible so that I could move within this forum and it not be known that I was here by the other participants. Once it was decided that that illusiveness was no longer enticing for me, I have stayed visible for the majority of the time. Any invisibility has only been for a few hours in length since. The psychological recognitions made in such a move, are on offer. Take it or leave it. If "the whole world and beyond is actually your body", why are you relating to it as if its separate and lacks understanding?
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 19:55:24 GMT -5
You mean that if you thought 4 + 4 = 9 but then realized that 4 + 4 actually = 8 that you wouldn't change what you wrote about it afterwards? That's what I said say that to yourself, Point out to me where I contradict myself in a single place. I did that a couple days ago, and you refused to respond to it.
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 19:57:06 GMT -5
With this story in mind, I'm curious how this realization occurs in other people who never had a strong sense of being a little person inside a body making things happen. There are at least 6 to 10 people on this forum who have attained TR (THIS realization), and I'd like to know what happened that allowed them to see through the illusion of personal selfhood. Did they have a "me" that suddenly disappeared, as in my case, or did something else happen that made the obvious suddenly become obvious? It will be interesting to see if anyone other than Laughter has a go with this
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2015 20:06:14 GMT -5
So does it mean forcing yourself? Really, you need to find another word, please. yeah forcing you could say If you do not like the word 'pulling'! Okay, thanks. I think 'pulling' is a fine word, when we're talking about pulling a cart or a rope. Pulling yourself creates a very very very odd and somehow disconcerting image.
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