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Apr 29, 2015 12:56:26 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 12:56:26 GMT -5
So you are doing meditation? No, not in the way I know you mean that question. Meditation happens. Sometime I have seen you critized Tolle , why did you do that? What's wrong in Tolle's teaching?
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Apr 29, 2015 13:00:01 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Apr 29, 2015 13:00:01 GMT -5
No, not in the way I know you mean that question. Meditation happens. Sometime I have seen you critized Tolle , why did you do that? What's wrong in Tolle's teaching? I'm sorry but I'm genuinely at a loss as to what you're referring to and I'm not joking about that. The points that you and others sometime make about how Tolle's suggestions can lead to a split mind practice are good constructive criticism, but reading his first book is a major facet of my personal story.
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Apr 29, 2015 13:08:44 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 13:08:44 GMT -5
So you are bringing the higher alert attention through meditation? Meditation takes two forms: sitting and moving. In either form, there are events when the mind is noticed to have wandered on to falsity, and in those events the higher alert attention is discerned to be active. It's always available and underlies all attention, but is sometimes obscured by the process of mind. The nature of the events is different between the two forms of meditation but the resulting mind state is exactly the same. How is it for you? When and how do or did you bring that higher alert attention?It has happened to me sometimes when I was watching interestingly something for a long time and at that time something became very clear which I haven't seen before. But this meditation is a Crap. You must be the follower of zendancer to follow this crap.
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Apr 29, 2015 13:09:53 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 13:09:53 GMT -5
Sometime I have seen you critized Tolle , why did you do that? What's wrong in Tolle's teaching? I'm sorry but I'm genuinely at a loss as to what you're referring to and I'm not joking about that.The points that you and others sometime make about how Tolle's suggestions can lead to a split mind practice are good constructive criticism, but reading his first book is a major facet of my personal story. Ok let's leave it then.
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Apr 29, 2015 13:17:23 GMT -5
Post by andrew on Apr 29, 2015 13:17:23 GMT -5
Some great points here and the Monkey/Buddha story was very good, and relates closely to some of the potential problems that I see in the non-dual paradigm. I've had a long travelling day today and don't have the energy to think much right now, so I won't comment any more than that, nevertheless I wanted to acknowledge the message. My lifestyle is one of extreme slow meandering peacefulness, compared to the majority of people in modern society. Most people are very busy, multitasking, not much time to allocate to so many things. Acknowledgement you read my thoughts is more than adequate for me to sustain my connection to you, appreciating our time together. Plus, convos do end. One or both participants will eventually have no more else to say, and naturally the convo will end. So andrew, you are under no obligation to continue if you have decided you have nothing further to say or do not wish to explore any further. I can immensely enjoy a one line convo as equally as a mega one that goes on for weeks. That's cool. Since changing location yesterday, I have been experiencing the movement to be involved on the forum to be less intense than I was a few days ago, but I am still interested in exploring/conversing with you and most others here.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:21:45 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Apr 29, 2015 17:21:45 GMT -5
Meditation takes two forms: sitting and moving. In either form, there are events when the mind is noticed to have wandered on to falsity, and in those events the higher alert attention is discerned to be active. It's always available and underlies all attention, but is sometimes obscured by the process of mind. The nature of the events is different between the two forms of meditation but the resulting mind state is exactly the same. How is it for you? When and how do or did you bring that higher alert attention?It has happened to me sometimes when I was watching interestingly something for a long time and at that time something became very clear which I haven't seen before. But this meditation is a Crap. You must be the follower of zendancer to follow this crap. One man's crap is another dude's fertilizer. Not everyone is gonna' sit, no, and that's just perfection in motion right there.
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 29, 2015 20:10:19 GMT -5
No, we are 'that' which does the thinking.. TzuJanLi So you're completely identified with the thinker, yeah? Not identified with thinker or thought, simply acknowledging what i see..
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Apr 30, 2015 4:52:35 GMT -5
Post by lolly on Apr 30, 2015 4:52:35 GMT -5
It has happened to me sometimes when I was watching interestingly something for a long time and at that time something became very clear which I haven't seen before. But this meditation is a Crap. You must be the follower of zendancer to follow this crap. 1) One man's crap is another dude's fertilizer. :D 2) Not everyone is gonna' sit, no, and that's just perfection in motion right there. ;) 1) ew
2) I wonder who in their right mind would consider meditation crap?
3) Oh... there no 3.
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Apr 30, 2015 5:06:37 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 5:06:37 GMT -5
1) One man's crap is another dude's fertilizer. 2) Not everyone is gonna' sit, no, and that's just perfection in motion right there. 1) ew
2) I wonder who in their right mind would consider meditation crap?
3) Oh... there no 3.
Meditation would create idea of peace, this is not a real peace, this peace need an opposite to experience. Why we need to create something when consciousness is the primary creator?
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Apr 30, 2015 5:07:30 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 5:07:30 GMT -5
It has happened to me sometimes when I was watching interestingly something for a long time and at that time something became very clear which I haven't seen before. But this meditation is a Crap. You must be the follower of zendancer to follow this crap. One man's crap is another dude's fertilizer. Not everyone is gonna' sit, no, and that's just perfection in motion right there. WOW Laughter, you are really great.
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Apr 30, 2015 5:23:56 GMT -5
Post by tzujanli on Apr 30, 2015 5:23:56 GMT -5
1) ew
2) I wonder who in their right mind would consider meditation crap?
3) Oh... there no 3.
Meditation would create idea of peace, this is not a real peace, this peace need an opposite to experience. Why we need to create something when consciousness is the primary creator? Meditation is a path to clarity through the mind's stillness.. sitting, standing (WuJi and/or Zhan Zhuang), walking (Kinhin), Living Life with a still mind's awareness, are all potential paths to clarity, meditations.. 'We' create through the intentions of consciousness, why do you create separation between 'we' and consciousness?
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Apr 30, 2015 5:50:34 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 5:50:34 GMT -5
Meditation would create idea of peace, this is not a real peace, this peace need an opposite to experience. Why we need to create something when consciousness is the primary creator? Meditation is a path to clarity through the mind's stillness.. sitting, standing (WuJi and/or Zhan Zhuang), walking (Kinhin), Living Life with a still mind's awareness, are all potential paths to clarity, meditations.. 'We' create through the intentions of consciousness, why do you create separation between 'we' and consciousness? There is no separation. This is a bit confusion area, our consciousness creates, but if we do not know, then we try to control or try to create something new rather than accepting the present movement. This I meant. When I say 'we', I again meant to say consciousness, more closely put, consciousness tries to create or control out of ignorance(by believing that others are creating something).
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Apr 30, 2015 5:56:29 GMT -5
Post by lolly on Apr 30, 2015 5:56:29 GMT -5
1) ew
2) I wonder who in their right mind would consider meditation crap?
3) Oh... there no 3.
Meditation would create idea of peace, this is not a real peace, this peace need an opposite to experience. Why we need to create something when consciousness is the primary creator? I think the things you say indicate that you have limited understanding of meditation, most likely because you don't practice and thus have little experience, but ironically, you also speak with authority on the subject... this leads me to believe that it would be futile for me to explain meditation fundamentals to you.
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Apr 30, 2015 5:57:58 GMT -5
Post by tzujanli on Apr 30, 2015 5:57:58 GMT -5
Meditation is a path to clarity through the mind's stillness.. sitting, standing (WuJi and/or Zhan Zhuang), walking (Kinhin), Living Life with a still mind's awareness, are all potential paths to clarity, meditations.. 'We' create through the intentions of consciousness, why do you create separation between 'we' and consciousness? There is no separation. This is a bit confusion area, our consciousness creates, but if we do not know, then we try to control or try to create something new rather than accepting the present movement. This I meant. When I say 'we', I again meant to say consciousness, more closely put, consciousness tries to create or control out of ignorance(by believing that others are creating something). We ARE consciousness creating, you're trying to separate consciousness from that which it is..
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Apr 30, 2015 6:27:56 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 6:27:56 GMT -5
There is no separation. This is a bit confusion area, our consciousness creates, but if we do not know, then we try to control or try to create something new rather than accepting the present movement. This I meant. When I say 'we', I again meant to say consciousness, more closely put, consciousness tries to create or control out of ignorance(by believing that others are creating something). We ARE consciousness creating, you're trying to separate consciousness from that which it is.. Yes correct, this is what I am telling, but creation would lead to the suffering when we do not know the truth.
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