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Post by jay17 on Mar 26, 2015 13:59:19 GMT -5
Well he shoulda fit right in considering some here share the same dysfunctions.(only difference is what philosophy one encases themself in) I will have to stand by my previous judgement of him that he showed some element of wisdom to leave, even though it seems to me he left in an agitated state. Pretty impressive though, to find an element of self mastery whilst in such a state, if that is what actually happened with him. I do not see the logic in returning emptier to a place that has people as perhaps as full as he and will not listen to others. I think that's why he left, and whether he sees he suffers from the same ailment, i do not know, because he is not around to share this info. Please share with me the impressiveness involved with pressing the deactivate account link. I cannot share info i do not possess. My comment about being impressed, to me, is reasonably expressed regarding the ability to leave a situation while suffering emotional turmoil and\or emotional enticement\excitement to remain and fight the good fight, trying to get people to see the value in one's ideas. That while one part of one's being is strongly urging one to stay, another part is calm and rational and has evaluated and decided it wise to leave. I have no facts concerning why Roy left, it's all speculation on my part, and i am commenting on my speculations about Roy. Speaking from experience, as i had forgotten about that link till you mentioned it, i felt no increase in positive thought or feeling when i pressed the "deactivate account" link last time i was here. It was simply a logistical task, equivalent to handing in my resignation at a place of employment, or a change of address at the post office is more appropriate because i regard the one forum i am a member of as my net home. I can only theorize that each individual might have a different experience, different thoughts and feelings when they deactivate their account. You would have to ask Roy about his deactivation experience.
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Post by japhy on Mar 26, 2015 15:48:54 GMT -5
Leave this place and never come back. Use all of your spare time to watch your mind. Delve deep into the space between thoughts. Follow the teaching of Ramana Maharshi; don't listen to anyone else. Leave this place and never come back. It's not the worst advise I have seen here, but it stills smells like advise :-D. Most of the discussions here are too complicated for me at the moment, but still I come back. It's just tiring to read too much and then I read some posts here and then they are gone again and I don't have much to say. Just reading a bit is enough. Maybe something comes up, maybe not. It's just fine. I don't worry so much anymore, if I think, the person has a valid point or not. It's not necessary. I read it. Why worry about the other person? Ok, sometimes you feel something like a stuck knot and then you try to find out or not. Just happens. Everything is very simple. Oversimple :-D. Too simple for most and often for me. Not boring, just simple. I need to adjust to the simplicity. My mind wants to do this or that, but often I end up sitting around or drinking a cup of tea (mostly with honey) or talking to people, maybe cooking. Just small stuff.I would like to climb some mountains and travel more, but I sit here and it's fine. I walked part of the camino and it was fine and then I had to go home and it was fine, too. I carry on with my studies and it feels a bit stupid and still like the right thing to do for now. Big insights haven't happend for a long time. I meet people and some are so alive and it's fascinating. Sometimes I feel like crying and I am happy at the same time. Melancholia is one of the deepest feelings I know and it's there a lot lately. I don't have that bliss like you Roy, but having bliss is not so simple. Being in bliss can make things complicated. Being in bliss seems a bit exhausting right now. I have written a lot, a big hug to all of you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 17:34:29 GMT -5
Please share with me the impressiveness involved with pressing the deactivate account link. I cannot share info i do not possess. My comment about being impressed, to me, is reasonably expressed regarding the ability to leave a situation while suffering emotional turmoil and\or emotional enticement\excitement to remain and fight the good fight, trying to get people to see the value in one's ideas. That while one part of one's being is strongly urging one to stay, another part is calm and rational and has evaluated and decided it wise to leave.
I have no facts concerning why Roy left, it's all speculation on my part, and i am commenting on my speculations about Roy. Speaking from experience, as i had forgotten about that link till you mentioned it, i felt no increase in positive thought or feeling when i pressed the "deactivate account" link last time i was here. It was simply a logistical task, equivalent to handing in my resignation at a place of employment, or a change of address at the post office is more appropriate because i regard the one forum i am a member of as my net home. I can only theorize that each individual might have a different experience, different thoughts and feelings when they deactivate their account. You would have to ask Roy about his deactivation experience. That's a conventional way round, though what if it was actually the reverse? He came here, he wanted to share, and he found the present limits of his understandings questioned. What if it is the wise, calm and rational element of his nature that wanted to stay? And it was just the reactive, protective, known collectively as ego, element of his nature that was doing the urging to leave?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 17:35:58 GMT -5
Please share with me the impressiveness involved with pressing the deactivate account link. may I? a manic state of hyperminding precedes the event and pressing that particular link is like the cutting of an umbilical cord, some momentary solace, and then a fresh batch of more hyperminding rinse and repeat of course you may
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Post by jay17 on Mar 26, 2015 18:47:20 GMT -5
I cannot share info i do not possess. My comment about being impressed, to me, is reasonably expressed regarding the ability to leave a situation while suffering emotional turmoil and\or emotional enticement\excitement to remain and fight the good fight, trying to get people to see the value in one's ideas. That while one part of one's being is strongly urging one to stay, another part is calm and rational and has evaluated and decided it wise to leave.
I have no facts concerning why Roy left, it's all speculation on my part, and i am commenting on my speculations about Roy. Speaking from experience, as i had forgotten about that link till you mentioned it, i felt no increase in positive thought or feeling when i pressed the "deactivate account" link last time i was here. It was simply a logistical task, equivalent to handing in my resignation at a place of employment, or a change of address at the post office is more appropriate because i regard the one forum i am a member of as my net home. I can only theorize that each individual might have a different experience, different thoughts and feelings when they deactivate their account. You would have to ask Roy about his deactivation experience. That's a conventional way round, though what if it was actually the reverse? He came here, he wanted to share, and he found the present limits of his understandings questioned. What if it is the wise, calm and rational element of his nature that wanted to stay? And it was just the reactive, protective, known collectively as ego, element of his nature that was doing the urging to leave? This too is also a speculation that can never be verified without Roy. There is space to create infinite speculations about Roy. It could be entertaining, enlivening, life affirming, a person could dedicate a huge chunk of their being towards such things. If it actually was as you described, i would do as i did with my interpretation of the event, i would see what i conclude are the positives and negatives, comment on both, and if i had to opportunity to converse with Roy again, and he is willing, we could explore these aspects.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 18:55:05 GMT -5
That's a conventional way round, though what if it was actually the reverse? He came here, he wanted to share, and he found the present limits of his understandings questioned. What if it is the wise, calm and rational element of his nature that wanted to stay? And it was just the reactive, protective, known collectively as ego, element of his nature that was doing the urging to leave? This too is also a speculation that can never be verified without Roy. There is space to create infinite speculations about Roy. It could be entertaining, enlivening, life affirming, a person could dedicate a huge chunk of their being towards such things. If it actually was as you described, i would do as i did with my interpretation of the event, i would see what i conclude are the positives and negatives, comment on both, and if i had to opportunity to converse with Roy again, and he is willing, we could explore these aspects.
Cool.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 26, 2015 19:29:00 GMT -5
That's a conventional way round, though what if it was actually the reverse? He came here, he wanted to share, and he found the present limits of his understandings questioned. What if it is the wise, calm and rational element of his nature that wanted to stay? And it was just the reactive, protective, known collectively as ego, element of his nature that was doing the urging to leave? This too is also a speculation that can never be verified without Roy. There is space to create infinite speculations about Roy. It could be entertaining, enlivening, life affirming, a person could dedicate a huge chunk of their being towards such things. If it actually was as you described, i would do as i did with my interpretation of the event, i would see what i conclude are the positives and negatives, comment on both, and if i had to opportunity to converse with Roy again, and he is willing, we could explore these aspects. I would speculate with Roy, it's just a calculation of where to spend time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 19:46:32 GMT -5
This too is also a speculation that can never be verified without Roy. There is space to create infinite speculations about Roy. It could be entertaining, enlivening, life affirming, a person could dedicate a huge chunk of their being towards such things. If it actually was as you described, i would do as i did with my interpretation of the event, i would see what i conclude are the positives and negatives, comment on both, and if i had to opportunity to converse with Roy again, and he is willing, we could explore these aspects. I would speculate with Roy, it's just a calculation of where to spend time. Maybe he's gone on one of those two week fasts you keep recommending.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 26, 2015 19:54:41 GMT -5
I cannot share info i do not possess. My comment about being impressed, to me, is reasonably expressed regarding the ability to leave a situation while suffering emotional turmoil and\or emotional enticement\excitement to remain and fight the good fight, trying to get people to see the value in one's ideas. That while one part of one's being is strongly urging one to stay, another part is calm and rational and has evaluated and decided it wise to leave.
I have no facts concerning why Roy left, it's all speculation on my part, and i am commenting on my speculations about Roy. Speaking from experience, as i had forgotten about that link till you mentioned it, i felt no increase in positive thought or feeling when i pressed the "deactivate account" link last time i was here. It was simply a logistical task, equivalent to handing in my resignation at a place of employment, or a change of address at the post office is more appropriate because i regard the one forum i am a member of as my net home. I can only theorize that each individual might have a different experience, different thoughts and feelings when they deactivate their account. You would have to ask Roy about his deactivation experience. That's a conventional way round, though what if it was actually the reverse? He came here, he wanted to share, and he found the present limits of his understandings questioned. What if it is the wise, calm and rational element of his nature that wanted to stay? And it was just the reactive, protective, known collectively as ego, element of his nature that was doing the urging to leave? What if? I don't know Roy's intentions, and if he's not here to talk with, why speculate?..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 20:00:09 GMT -5
That's a conventional way round, though what if it was actually the reverse? He came here, he wanted to share, and he found the present limits of his understandings questioned. What if it is the wise, calm and rational element of his nature that wanted to stay? And it was just the reactive, protective, known collectively as ego, element of his nature that was doing the urging to leave? What if? I don't know Roy's intentions, and if he's not here to talk with, why speculate?.. How do you know he's not reading this?
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Post by laughter on Mar 26, 2015 20:01:04 GMT -5
To be, or not to be: that is the question: Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, ’tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish’d. To die, to sleep; To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there’s the rub; For in that sleep of death what dreams may come When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause: there’s the respect That makes calamity of so long life;
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Post by laughter on Mar 26, 2015 20:02:22 GMT -5
What if? I don't know Roy's intentions, and if he's not here to talk with, why speculate?.. How do you know he's not reading this? Well, and the other point was that there are peeps on the thread who've had the same experience.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 26, 2015 20:19:13 GMT -5
What if? I don't know Roy's intentions, and if he's not here to talk with, why speculate?.. How do you know he's not reading this? I don't know that.. but, there's no evidence that he's 'here to talk with'..
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Post by jay17 on Mar 27, 2015 0:15:43 GMT -5
What if? I don't know Roy's intentions, and if he's not here to talk with, why speculate?.. Tzu, i am aware the question was not asked of me, but because i am an avid practitioner of speculation, i would like to share my thoughts. Speculate: 1. To engage in thought or reflection; meditate (often fol. by on or upon). 2. To indulge in conjectural thought. 3. To consider or think curiously about; suppose, propose, or wonder. 4. To use the powers of the mind, as in conceiving ideas, drawing inferences, and making judgments: cerebrate, cogitate, deliberate, ratiocinate, reflect, think. 5. To draw an inference on the basis of inconclusive evidence or insufficient information: conjecture, guess, infer, suppose, surmise. 6. To formulate or assert as a tentative explanation: [1590–1600; < Latin specul?tus, past participle of specul?r? to watch over, explore, derivative of specula watch tower, n. derivative of specere to look, regard; see -ate1] I use Speculation as a tool within my explorations to ascertain what is beneficial or not to me, what is valuable enough to further explore, and other such things. The only harm produced in people's lives that is associated with speculating that i am aware of is relabeling a Speculation as 'fact\truth' when it actually isn't. I speculate upon things that interest me, things that i value enough to allocate time and effort to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 4:04:55 GMT -5
How do you know he's not reading this? I don't know that.. but, there's no evidence that he's 'here to talk with'.. I'm really not inclined to walk this with you Tzu. We both know where you're trying to take it. Bee well.
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