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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2020 15:24:27 GMT -5
It's a sense of contraction, a subtle refusal. ...and usually the result of unconscious mind-talk. aye
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2020 15:29:19 GMT -5
That seems sensible to me. What if they really need Valium? Then they're pretty screwed under the current regime. Or go to a doctor that is willing to have the relevant license. What's the situation in your country in regard to herbs K? CBD? St. John's Wort? Melatonin etc? Added thought...I firmly believe that societies need rebels. And a lot of them. We are all rebels. But rebellion can take many forms, we have to rebel in a way that suits us.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jan 24, 2020 15:45:08 GMT -5
...and usually the result of unconscious mind-talk. aye Came across this recently. Seems timely. :-) "When you get into your car, shut the door and be there for just half a minute. Breathe, feel the energy inside your body, look around at the sky, the trees. The mind might tell you, 'I don't have time.' But that's the mind talking to you. Even the busiest person has time for 30 seconds of space." -Eckhart Tolle
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Post by laughter on Jan 24, 2020 16:19:12 GMT -5
"satch, who says his ego is enlightened. Some day maybe you will be able to step outside yourself, but this is pure projection." he said the ego, you said his ego. do you see the difference? if you read his quote without thinking he's talking about himself it changes how its interpreted Yes, "ego" can be defined and understood in many different ways. By "ego," some people mean the sense of existence, some mean the sense of identity, some mean the part of the psyche which experiences the external world, some people mean arrogance, conceit, or self-centeredness, etc. When Zen people talk about "losing the self" or "losing the ego," they generally mean the loss of self-referential mind talk and thoughts, such as, "I'm enlightened but you're not enlightened." Most Zen people even shun the use of words that elevate a sense of self-importance or demean the importance of others. Satch liked to play with the meanings of words and didn't like the idea that the person who thinks that he'll get enlightened is destined to be disappointed to find out they never existed as what they thought they were and what they thought that enlightenment was. He quoted the "Tathagata" line but the Diamond Sutra is quite clear on the matter, and, the only mind that sees a contradiction in that is an over-active mind trying to figure stuff out.
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 24, 2020 18:39:48 GMT -5
In fact, I have not applied for S2 (Narcotic License) from the Department of Health /Bureau of Food and Drugs because I know there will be patients or people feigning illness of mental in origin telling me they are depressed, can't sleep, anxious etc so I could prescribe to them opiods, anxiolytics,,, morphine, demerol, diazepams. That if I do these frequently, I would be framed for prescribing these drugs. Under the Duterte Administration you never know. So, when people visit me in the clinic asking to be prescribe say, Valium, I tell them, "Sorry I don't have a narcotics license." That seems sensible to me. Yep, but it deprived me of extra income.
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2020 0:22:42 GMT -5
What if they really need Valium? Then they're pretty screwed under the current regime. Or go to a doctor that is willing to have the relevant license. What's the situation in your country in regard to herbs K? CBD? St. John's Wort? Melatonin etc? Added thought...I firmly believe that societies need rebels. And a lot of them. We are all rebels. But rebellion can take many forms, we have to rebel in a way that suits us. Of course, but that means not serving his patients to the best of his ability for the sake of not having to say no to some.
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 25, 2020 1:05:03 GMT -5
Then they're pretty screwed under the current regime. Or go to a doctor that is willing to have the relevant license. What's the situation in your country in regard to herbs K? CBD? St. John's Wort? Melatonin etc? Added thought...I firmly believe that societies need rebels. And a lot of them. We are all rebels. But rebellion can take many forms, we have to rebel in a way that suits us. Of course, but that means not serving his patients to the best of his ability for the sake of not having to say no to some. Patients I refuse to give say, valium. I tell them to visit ST or Figgles SG. Find one who has the most number of posts. I tell them to read and reflect. Many came back and gave me a high five. They said they easily fell asleep after a few lines from the author of these posts. ST and SG forum I find are therapeutic for schizophrenics. 😁
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Post by laughter on Jan 25, 2020 2:01:24 GMT -5
Of course, but that means not serving his patients to the best of his ability for the sake of not having to say no to some. Patients I refuse to give say, valium. I tell them to visit ST or Figgles SG. Find one who has the most number of posts. I tell them to read and reflect. Many came back and gave me a high five. They said they easily fell asleep after a few lines from the author of these posts. ST and SG forum I find are therapeutic for schizophrenics. 😁
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Post by andrew on Jan 28, 2020 9:37:22 GMT -5
Then they're pretty screwed under the current regime. Or go to a doctor that is willing to have the relevant license. What's the situation in your country in regard to herbs K? CBD? St. John's Wort? Melatonin etc? Added thought...I firmly believe that societies need rebels. And a lot of them. We are all rebels. But rebellion can take many forms, we have to rebel in a way that suits us. Of course, but that means not serving his patients to the best of his ability for the sake of not having to say no to some. right, i guess K weighed that up.
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 28, 2020 9:43:11 GMT -5
Of course, but that means not serving his patients to the best of his ability for the sake of not having to say no to some. right, i guess K weighed that up. I was already promoting recreational and medical marijuana long before it became legit in the USA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 9:48:49 GMT -5
laughter, in other words, the concept of Reality as such is the concept of Consciousness. I need it realized through direct experience though rather than a concept of mind. Got any tips? In my experience, the key is attention, and some of this advice is likely going to sound really simple ... it's 'cause it's all no-brainer. Attention sometimes seems to direct outward to the physical world that appears to you as external to your body. If you're fortunate enough to be doing something physically active, then notice and let fall away any thoughts, and just attend to that activity fully. Keep a reminder in the back of your mind when you notice a thought that isn't related to the activity "oh, ok, that's not what I'm doing right now...". This is how I'd describe what ZD used to advise as "Attend the Actual" .... but notice that any thought about what "actual" means or who or what is attending is completely counter to the prescription. Another word that describes this, roughly speaking, is mindfulness. You can also do this when you're not active, if you're at rest, you can attend your physical surroundings to the exclusion of any thoughts that will come up, and really, any focal point of attention works, but in instances like that I prefer to be outdoors. This, very generally, is the basis for what's referred to as tantra. Sports like skiing, swimming, biking, skating, walking/hiking or running all afford the opportunity to combine these first two practices. When speaking with someone, anyone, in any situation, you can notice when you're distracted, when your mind is only partly on the interaction with that person. When that happens, it's an opportunity to focus attention more fully on the person you're interacting with. Sex is the obvious way to combine these first three practices. Then there's the other direction that attention can seem to land, and that's on our internal state. My experience with this is that thoughts used to manifest as an internal verbal dialog. Is that the way it is for you? For instance, does it seem as though a thought will free-associate with your current situation and mood with an old memory or as a sort of reminder of some goal you have? Do you find opinions of people and situations sort of spontaneously manifesting in response to what's going on around you in the form of that sort of narrative? Regardless of how that goes for you, it's possible for anyone at any time to simply ask "how do I feel?". Conditions constantly change around us and this results in sensations and thoughts and interactions that all combine in the aggregate to effect our mood. Internal resistance manifests in lots of little ways like a scowl, muscular tension and higher blood pressure, and negative reactions are great opportunities to notice: "what pattern or thought and emotion led to that reaction? what did I find important enough in what presented to cause that reaction?". I've found a sitting meditation practice to be helpful with interior attention, and there are lots of different techniques. If you're interested I'll detail what I do. The interior practice is a direct process of becoming conscious of our thoughts and feelings, and any concepts we have of ourselves or the world are bound to surface. As they do, it's important to be gentle with yourself, to not judge yourself, but just to see the conditioned patterns for what they are as they become clear. In my experience, the two types of practice -- interior and exterior attention -- are complimentary, and the noticing that happens is the same in either instance, and the result of that noticing can be succinctly described as a moment of clarity. In those moments is the absence of obfuscation of all the knowledge you could ever imagine, want or need with regard to spirituality. Really quite interesting and true. Have your views on these sorts of practice changed any since 2015?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 9:52:29 GMT -5
Hi laughter, thanks, I resonate with everything that you are relating. So through the manipulation of attention, realizations will come on their own? Or can I consciously manifest them? Well there's not so much manipulation involved as there is what might be described as the will to focus. As far as realizations are concerned, that seems to me to be different for everyone, but it is commonly reported that nonconceptual attention often appears to lead to an informing of mind. In my experience and some of the experiences of others that I've corresponded with, the entire process can result in a profound transformation of world view. Same question as before. Quite profound. I enjoy reading these posts. What happened?😁😁
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Post by laughter on Jan 29, 2020 5:00:44 GMT -5
Well there's not so much manipulation involved as there is what might be described as the will to focus. As far as realizations are concerned, that seems to me to be different for everyone, but it is commonly reported that nonconceptual attention often appears to lead to an informing of mind. In my experience and some of the experiences of others that I've corresponded with, the entire process can result in a profound transformation of world view. Same question as before. Quite profound. I enjoy reading these posts. What happened?😁😁 Thanks for the kind word? Obviously, the last 5 years have been the performance art of demonstrating how enlightenment is inevitably temporary.
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Post by laughter on Jan 29, 2020 5:01:44 GMT -5
In my experience, the key is attention, and some of this advice is likely going to sound really simple ... it's 'cause it's all no-brainer. Attention sometimes seems to direct outward to the physical world that appears to you as external to your body. If you're fortunate enough to be doing something physically active, then notice and let fall away any thoughts, and just attend to that activity fully. Keep a reminder in the back of your mind when you notice a thought that isn't related to the activity "oh, ok, that's not what I'm doing right now...". This is how I'd describe what ZD used to advise as "Attend the Actual" .... but notice that any thought about what "actual" means or who or what is attending is completely counter to the prescription. Another word that describes this, roughly speaking, is mindfulness. You can also do this when you're not active, if you're at rest, you can attend your physical surroundings to the exclusion of any thoughts that will come up, and really, any focal point of attention works, but in instances like that I prefer to be outdoors. This, very generally, is the basis for what's referred to as tantra. Sports like skiing, swimming, biking, skating, walking/hiking or running all afford the opportunity to combine these first two practices. When speaking with someone, anyone, in any situation, you can notice when you're distracted, when your mind is only partly on the interaction with that person. When that happens, it's an opportunity to focus attention more fully on the person you're interacting with. Sex is the obvious way to combine these first three practices. Then there's the other direction that attention can seem to land, and that's on our internal state. My experience with this is that thoughts used to manifest as an internal verbal dialog. Is that the way it is for you? For instance, does it seem as though a thought will free-associate with your current situation and mood with an old memory or as a sort of reminder of some goal you have? Do you find opinions of people and situations sort of spontaneously manifesting in response to what's going on around you in the form of that sort of narrative? Regardless of how that goes for you, it's possible for anyone at any time to simply ask "how do I feel?". Conditions constantly change around us and this results in sensations and thoughts and interactions that all combine in the aggregate to effect our mood. Internal resistance manifests in lots of little ways like a scowl, muscular tension and higher blood pressure, and negative reactions are great opportunities to notice: "what pattern or thought and emotion led to that reaction? what did I find important enough in what presented to cause that reaction?". I've found a sitting meditation practice to be helpful with interior attention, and there are lots of different techniques. If you're interested I'll detail what I do. The interior practice is a direct process of becoming conscious of our thoughts and feelings, and any concepts we have of ourselves or the world are bound to surface. As they do, it's important to be gentle with yourself, to not judge yourself, but just to see the conditioned patterns for what they are as they become clear. In my experience, the two types of practice -- interior and exterior attention -- are complimentary, and the noticing that happens is the same in either instance, and the result of that noticing can be succinctly described as a moment of clarity. In those moments is the absence of obfuscation of all the knowledge you could ever imagine, want or need with regard to spirituality. Really quite interesting and true. Have your views on these sorts of practice changed any since 2015? No, not at all. If someone were to ask me the question "how should I go about pursing the existential truth?", I'd answer with something quite similar.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 8:59:08 GMT -5
Really quite interesting and true. Have your views on these sorts of practice changed any since 2015? No, not at all. If someone were to ask me the question "how should I go about pursing the existential truth?", I'd answer with something quite similar. Do you still do these practices? Regularly, as on a schedule? Or just when you feel like it or not at all?
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